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Old 01-20-2007, 12:13 PM     Post subject: KJ raised pot flushdraw... #1 (permalink)  
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Button is a good lag, and shooter is a terrible donk, already proved over 6 hands.
Im also thinking repopping this is better then just calling pf, or not?

Standard play against 2 opponents right?

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[Jan 19 20:11:38] : Hand Start.
[Jan 19 20:11:38] : Seat 2 : shooter396 has $591.86
[Jan 19 20:11:38] : Seat 3 : Eman614 has $96.75
[Jan 19 20:11:38] : Seat 4 : janusmarine has $263.25
[Jan 19 20:11:38] : Seat 5 : Dislexsik has $111.50
[Jan 19 20:11:38] : Seat 6 : irisheejit has $88.25
[Jan 19 20:11:38] : Eman614 is the dealer.
[Jan 19 20:11:38] : janusmarine posted small blind.
[Jan 19 20:11:39] : Dislexsik posted big blind.
[Jan 19 20:11:39] : Game [306792] started with 5 players.
[Jan 19 20:11:39] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jan 19 20:11:39] : Seat 5 : Dislexsik has Kh Jh
[Jan 19 20:11:43] : irisheejit folded.
[Jan 19 20:11:45] : shooter396 called $1
[Jan 19 20:11:49] : Eman614 called $1 and raised $3
[Jan 19 20:11:50] : janusmarine folded.
[Jan 19 20:11:52] : Dislexsik called $3
[Jan 19 20:11:54] : shooter396 called $3
[Jan 19 20:11:55] : Dealing flop.
[Jan 19 20:11:55] : Board cards [Ah 4s 6h]
[Jan 19 20:11:58] : Dislexsik checked.
[Jan 19 20:12:00] : shooter396 checked.
[Jan 19 20:12:04] : Eman614 bet $10
[Jan 19 20:12:13] : Dislexsik called $10 and raised $97.50 and is All-in
 
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:13 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 is this really standard?
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:38 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'd fold preflop and fold the flop....
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Old 01-20-2007, 03:55 PM #4 (permalink)  
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fold the flop with a nutflushdraw?right
 
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Old 01-20-2007, 05:13 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 idk what others will put you on with that raise but i'd put you on a flush draw.
The problem is it's the only way to play the hand besides playing it passively.
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Old 01-20-2007, 11:20 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Fold preflop. As played your flop all-in screams flushdraw.


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Old 01-20-2007, 11:30 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Isn't call here way better than pushing... you have a lag betting into you - if he has air, you just folded a worse hand. You have a moron behnd you who could easily have a worse f/d or get married to some 2pair if you hit.

I think shoving is better with more outs and/or worse f/d.
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Old 01-20-2007, 11:43 PM #8 (permalink)  
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fold the flop with a nutflushdraw?
Right! Also as others have said fold pf.
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Old 01-20-2007, 11:44 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Folding preflop is super weak, especially against two loose players.

This is far from "standard" on the flop. I don't see what's wrong with just check-calling, especially since you want the bad player to stay in the pot.
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Old 01-20-2007, 11:56 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Folding PF isnt horrible here if we arent that confident with our postflop game, I still would rather 3bet than call though. As played, given the stacks and everything it is awkward for a PSc/r here, but I really dont like c/pushing. I dont think a c/c is horrible here, but again, I would much rather we 3bet PF.
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:54 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 3bet pf, definitely do not fold flop though
i dont like the push though, ur getting looked up by ak from many many players
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:31 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Fold preflop, this hand plays horrible if we reraise IMO.

Flop is a lead or check/call. you can't really checkraise these as you get yourself in wierd spots on turn if called. Pushing screams draw and I'll look you up with AQ every day of the week and twice on sunday
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Old 01-21-2007, 02:14 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 Yeah most people will look this up with Ax (including me). I think standard here is c/c and kinda hope you can see a free river - or hope the other guy calls too (then you're automatically priced in on your F/D) . It's still awkward, being OOP it's a lot harder to get paid or bluff him off his hand if you miss, so I don't hate a flop fold.

About the 3bet.. I know squeezing is the cool thing to do, but isn't this like one of the worst hands to do it with? (not to mention you're OOP) If you hit TP, you might very well be outkicked.
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Old 01-21-2007, 04:10 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 Think about what button's range is here (lagg with the button, CO open limps, raises to 3x), he's WANTS to knock out hands exactly like KJs from the blinds and isolate against the CO. Folding pf here is actually pretty terrible imo. pf I prefer a call but I wouldn't fault anyone for 3-betting.
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