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Old 06-23-2008, 11:50 AM     Post subject: It just occurred to me #1 (permalink)  
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...that with all the work I've been doing on my game over the past I've been overlooking one glaring situation where I've probably been leaking tons of money.

$2.5/$5 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($517.33)
UTG+1 ($505.65)
CO ($652.03)
BTN ($1354.40)
SB ($479.90)
Hero ($500.00)

Pre-flop: ($7.50, 6 players) Hero is BB with 2 cards
4 folds, SB raises to $15, Hero ???

Now people in today's games are usually opening a pretty large range in the SB when it's folded to them. I had a quick scan around the stats of the regs who happened to be sitting with me today and most were raising 24-34% of their hands in this spot. That's a lot of hands. Given that we know how to play competently post flop, have position and are guaranteed to be HU to the flop, it seems to me that we should be playing way more of our range here.

A few points:
1) If we are perceived as a decent player than a competent SB should be adjusting his ranges for opening in the SB. That probably means less 22 and more T7s and more folding in general,
2) Competent SB players will have a wider than normal 4betting range when we 3bet,
3) As our calling ranges widen we must play more aggressively post flop,
4) We must vary our preflop ranges depending on our dynamic postflop and preflop images.


Now up till this point I had some dumbass static ranges which were something along the lines of
RR: TT+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+
Call: 99-22,ATs-A9s,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,76s,65s,54s,ATo, KTo+,QTo+,JTo

This seems totally retarded to me now and I feel that we should be playing a MUCH wider range in this spot.

Just for kicks, if the SB opens 25% of his hands and we play 35% we have 46.7% equity preflop. How much equity is position worth?

This is all a standard 100NL player realisation that I've been missing right?
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Old 06-23-2008, 12:01 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i tend to 3bet a wider range than normal but i also 3bet junk hands. ill call with most of you calling range there tho i think your 3bet range is really tight.
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Old 06-23-2008, 12:36 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I call very wide here, probably all Axs and quite some 2gappers and maybe more.

We have tons of options postflop with enough money behind and all kinds of good hands to represent postflop.

In general I don't like 3betting extremely wider, because you'll usually get 4bet wider as well. (I don't really 3bet light in general, so it might partly be a style thing as well)
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I think we can play a bit wider even. I know I usually do... we need about 35% equity preflop to call right?

I also tend to 3bet wider, about the same when we're btn vs co and we can forget about the blinds
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Yeah I 3bet a wider range for value.
for eg. hands like 88 and A9s have 55% equity vs a 30% opening range & you have pos.

I also 3bet junk based on our current dynamics.
I think you have to 3bet light fairly early on, ie. u cant wait till hes stolen your bb 3/4 times bcuz now he expects you to 3bet so he will 4bet light. So I like to do it as soon as I have an indication he is not a nit & then he also folds to me more in subsequent orbits.
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I'd rather call with mid pps and reraise smaller ones.
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Old 06-25-2008, 01:58 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I play like 50%+ of my hands here. Probably don't re-raise enough though. Unless I think the SB isn't raising enough, then I might just give him a nit mulligan.

Any two cards 8 or higher, any suited Jack+, 2 gappers, any Ace, all pairs. That gets you to 50%....
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Old 06-25-2008, 02:06 PM #8 (permalink)  
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all connectors are good to call there, suited OR unsuited
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all connectors are good to call there, suited OR unsuited
Unsuited trash sucks here. Actually so does suited trash to a degree.

One pair is going to win this pot quite often if it goes to showdown.
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all connectors are good to call there, suited OR unsuited
Unsuited trash sucks here. Actually so does suited trash to a degree.

One pair is going to win this pot quite often if it goes to showdown.
If it goes to showdown. IF.
didnt you just post u play 50% of your hands here?
T9o, JTo, 98o, 87o... dont qualify?
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:59 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Personally i defend in bvb with almost 80% of my hands. 3-betting with the top 25%
If i just call, most of the time floating the c-bet will win me the pot. If not, then i better have a hand to continue beyond the turn.

Of course, this changes against nitty players that dont steal blinds. They can have one from time to time.
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T9o, JTo, 98o, 87o... dont qualify?
98o is a much much better hand in this spot than 54o
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If it goes to showdown. IF.
k, so your approach to this game is to mash a bet/raise 3/4 pot button when you decide to get into a hand?
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If it goes to showdown. IF.
k, so your approach to this game is to mash a bet/raise 3/4 pot button when you decide to get into a hand?
Nope, he plays limit
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