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Numbr2intheWorld
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01-04-2008, 08:01 PM
Post subject: just checking
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villain is completely utterly unknown
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($600)
UTG ($631.50)
Hero ($600)
CO ($600)
Button ($204)
SB ($275.40)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Q , A.
1 fold, Hero raises to $21, 3 folds, BB calls $15.
Flop: ($45) 3 , J, 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $30, BB calls $30.
Turn: ($105) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $78, BB calls $78.
River: ($261) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $201, BB raises to $471 (All-In), Hero folds.
Final Pot: $393
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BigPapi
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yes fold, likely a set, doubt very much it's a bluff
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Warpe
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Why are we betting if we're folding to a raise?
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gabe
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because he check calls with tons of hands we beat but only check raises with hands we lose to
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by gabe
because he check calls with tons of hands we beat but only check raises with hands we lose to
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AQ has to be at the bottom of our vbetting range though right? What's the worst hand you'd value-bet here Gabe, or Max or any of you guys?
What if we have AJ here? Is that b/f or b/c?
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bigspenda73
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Also, if AJ is b/c, what's the best hand you'd b/f and why?
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Warpe
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...so we're betting for value.
meh. I want to check behind a lot here. is that bad?
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Originally Posted by Warpe
...so we're betting for value.
meh. I want to check behind a lot here. is that bad?
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Against an unknown I think it's bad.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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I check the turn.
You bet too much if you were intending to fold to a raise, more than half your stack belongs to the pot now.
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Betting bigger reduces our opponents bluffing frequencies, meaning in this spot, he's never bluffing. It gets harrier if we valuebet small and think we might have induced a bluff.
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looks good to me
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there isnt solid value here and i dont want to get bluff raised so i chk behind
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bigspenda73
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I think checking back AQ here makes our river betting range suck hard
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I would of said bet but looking at the hand more closely villain can soooo easily have 33/66/AJ/A3/A6 that betting is really thin on river. We'd pretty much only get value from a hero call with Jx.
Worst hand id call with here is probably AJ or something.
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I haven't played this high in a while but.....
Against unknowns I get scared shitless in these spots because they could have anything really, they've called you twice, so I just check behind.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Also, if AJ is b/c, what's the best hand you'd b/f and why?
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good post- would be nice to know if he is the 70% of players who dont call Axs in the BB or the 30% who do....
against a complete unknown your river betsizing seems bad max.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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if i bet river its going to be goofy
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Originally Posted by sauce123
against a complete unknown your river betsizing seems bad max.
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I really thought about the river bet sizing, it was tough for me. Something like 160-150 was probably going to get the same amount of calls as 200-220, if not less imo. 90-120 just didn't seem as good.
What would you suggest?
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UG
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so sauce you probably wouldn't be this river?
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90-120 i think, just based on the unknown dynamic. of course its different for me because i know 99.9% of the regs on stars so when i see an unknown my assumption is strongly weighted towards he sucks, so hes not rly an unknown.
so given that assumption i fire out 90-120 just based on the fact that hes likely some 40 yr old dude taking a shot who will idly click the call btn and i beat all his bluffcatchers so bet. obv fold to a raise for same reasons...
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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