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minSim

06-20-2008, 06:45 PM Post subject: Just 2 50NL hands

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HAND #1
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Villain is playing 20/20/inf over only 20 hands.
A few hands back I 3bet his BTN open from the blinds and he 4bets me, to which I fold my AQo. (DJJunkPauds just opened a thread about the subject of 3betting vs calling, I'll be watching it closely).
This is how I did this time, 3betting is my standard, but after villains 4bet I'm not sure how aggressive he is, so Í called this time.
Maybe I'm just leveling myself at 50NL, but on the flop I can't really represent something by raising him so I call as my hand is still ahead of villains range.
And on the turn I'm just folding because I'm weak.
Comments on every street are possible.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $52.30
Hero (SB): $51.30
BB: $51.80
UTG: $52.60
MP: $68.40
CO: $59.20

Pre-Flop: A

dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, CO raises to $2, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($4.50) 5

(2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($12.50) 8

(2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero folds

Results: $12.50 Pot ($0.60 Rake)
CO mucked and WON $11.90 (+$5.90 NET)

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HAND #2
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Villain is unknown.
My thought process on the flop is basically that I try to get value from KK-.
As played I think shoving river myself is a better than c/c.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $59.45
SB: $44.45
BB: $30.40
UTG: $34.05
Hero (MP): $49.75
CO: $46.25

Pre-Flop: A

dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $2, CO raises to $6, 3 folds, Hero raises to $16, CO calls $10

Flop: ($32.75) A

(2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($64.75) 9

(2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($64.75) T

(2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $14.25 and is All-In, Hero calls $14.25

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frosst

06-20-2008, 07:48 PM

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hand 1- c/c'ing oop is bad, especially against an aggressive opp. they aren't very likely to give you free cards or good odds. the only way you win is to have the goods or bet like you do. I would 3-bet this hand preflop. If you think he's being overly aggressive than shove. as played, there's nothing wrong with check-raising either the flop or turn. most made hands aren't going to bet the pot on flop.
pokerstove stats:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.384% 57.55% 02.84% 859239470 42366863.00 { AQs }
Hand 1: 39.616% 36.78% 02.84% 549155892 42366863.00 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

hand 2- fine

Galapogos

06-20-2008, 10:56 PM

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Hand #1: Don't call the flop unless you're planning to make a move on the turn because he's not going to stop betting. Though I just c/f without a solid read.

Hand #2: Just put the rest in on the river yourself, he's not going to think he has FE with $14 in a $64 pot. You're letting him getaway with your value way too often by doing this.

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Originally Posted by sauce123

I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.

freechus9

06-21-2008, 05:16 AM

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Hand 1 - RR pre and if he 4bets again then you can get suspicious. As played I c/f flop...floating sucks because you're drawing to 6 outs that might be dirty, and you do NOT have the odds for that. Don't be afraid by potential aggression...it loses you money in the long run.

Hand 2 - Checking the flop is fine, but I'd minraise and try to get it in on the flop, so raise. Checking the turn and checking the river is bad. How can you make money if you check check check?

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nutsinho

06-21-2008, 11:24 AM

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1- um you guys are bad at attempting to play marginal holdings out of position. flop is an obvious check/call, use reads/timing tells on turn.

2- a minraise is more than a shove so just do it lol

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nutsinho

06-21-2008, 11:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Hand #1: Don't call the flop unless you're planning to make a move on the turn because he's not going to stop betting. Though I just c/f without a solid read.

extending further id like to point out how wrong this is. If he bets his entire CO opening range on the flop and turn and maybe the river, you should be delighted to call him down on every street. wtf is with people thinking they cant call just because the board hasnt improved their unpaired starting hand?

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Galapogos

06-21-2008, 05:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Hand #1: Don't call the flop unless you're planning to make a move on the turn because he's not going to stop betting. Though I just c/f without a solid read.

True but he doesn't seem solid enough in his read that he wants to call down all the way here. You're right I should have mentioned that as an option though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.

Viscount Vic

06-22-2008, 03:16 AM

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1. OOP... fold
2. fine

minSim

06-22-2008, 06:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Hand #1: Don't call the flop unless you're planning to make a move on the turn because he's not going to stop betting. Though I just c/f without a solid read.

True but he doesn't seem solid enough in his read that he wants to call down all the way here. You're right I should have mentioned that as an option though.

Yes that last addition from Galapos regarding I don't have a solid read is true. I'm sure he cbets his entire range on the flop. But I actually have no idea how often he 2nd barrels.
Nutshinho, do you have an estimation of about how often you think villain will 2nd barrell with worse for you to call?

nutsinho

06-22-2008, 08:52 AM

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probably slightly less than enough. im just saying if he is theoretically double barreling the vast majority of his CO range its not even close to a fold.

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xptboy

06-22-2008, 09:20 AM

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hand 1. I'd prolly 4bet preflop and then check raise the flop and give up

hand 2. fine as played, I wouldn't have slowplayed on flop but that's just me, what did he end up having? a backrdraw flush is the only hand that could beat you

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