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JJ, under-repped, facing shove on A river - 2/5 pounds

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    Default JJ, under-repped, facing shove on A river - 2/5 pounds

    -villain in this hand is ilduce on crypto.
    -I have played with him a lot on my old alias, and he was always very very aggro against me (always raising my leads into him, shoving over my flop raises of his cont bets a high percentage of the time)
    -he's been running 20/15/2.8 lately and we haven't played that many hands together today
    -I raised this flop cause I felt like I'd be repping pretty much nothing, and that he might go crazy and jam AK/AQ or something
    -Turn I bet small to hopefully induce a shove from a worse hand, but river is a pretty crappy spot


    Cryptologic
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $2/$5
    5 players
    Converter
    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $452.46
    UTG+1: $935.30
    Hero: $481.65
    SB: $811.20
    BB: $500
    Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is MP with
    UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $15, Hero calls, SB folds,BB folds.
    Flop: ($35, 2 players)
    UTG+1 bets $26, Hero raises to $85, UTG+1 calls.
    Turn: ($205, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $90, CO calls.
    River: ($385, 2 players)
    UTG+1 is all-in $745.3, Hero to call $291.65??
  2. #2
    hand history looks like it might be goofed up... are you actually BTN in this hand?


    he doesn't have to turn a mid pair into a bluff very often for this to be a call, so i'd call.
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  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
    hand history looks like it might be goofed up... are you actually BTN in this hand?


    he doesn't have to turn a mid pair into a bluff very often for this to be a call, so i'd call.
    Thanks I fixed it, I was in position on villains left preflop.
  4. #4
    if ur confused call is prob a bit better than neutral ev
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    I'm not thrilled about your turn plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketfours
    I'm not thrilled about your turn plan.
    Trying to induce?

    The decision was primarily based on how I perceived his play based on our play in the past (ie: him being aggro). It's possible that I overlooked that fact that most of this over-aggression was when he was the PFR and ppl were trying to take that away from him.

    I suppose if he didn't shove over my flop raise to begin with, he might not shove now.

    Though even if he had overs, I don't mind him calling this bet with only 6 outs on the turn. A smaller bet might also lure lower worse pairs to call another street and get value towned on the river.

    short version: I felt a big bet would get action from all better hands and some worse hands, but a smaller bet would get action from all the same better hands but might also win the most from hands that would fold otherwise.

    Flawed logic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    Quote Originally Posted by pocketfours
    I'm not thrilled about your turn plan.
    Trying to induce?

    The decision was primarily based on how I perceived his play based on our play in the past (ie: him being aggro). It's possible that I overlooked that fact that most of this over-aggression was when he was the PFR and ppl were trying to take that away from him.

    I suppose if he didn't shove over my flop raise to begin with, he might not shove now.

    Though even if he had overs, I don't mind him calling this bet with only 6 outs on the turn. A smaller bet might also lure lower worse pairs to call another street and get value towned on the river.

    short version: I felt a big bet would get action from all better hands and some worse hands, but a smaller bet would get action from all the same better hands but might also win the most from hands that would fold otherwise.

    Flawed logic?
    I'm just nitpicking really, but yes, I don't think this is the right place to induce, much because of reasons you mentioned yourself. I also don't think your bet looks like a b/f all that much.

    If I c/r this flop, then I would bet turn around $135 with my full range. I want to bet the same amount regardless of what I have and I think a bigger bet with your whole range will show a bigger profit. A bet of $90 is just too fancy in a std situation vs reg and now you're in a tough spot where you didn't need to be.
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    You raised the flop showing a lot of strength and got called.

    I think the turn is a pretty key commitment point.

    If you want to commit, I'd bet like $150ish right there.
    If you want to induce, check behind to balance this hand with the times you raise the flop and give up if called.

    If two blanks drop, you check the turn behind and value bet the river I think you're more likely to induce a bluff shove.
  9. #9
    i agree the turn bet sucks...

    also fold river instantly
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Massimo
    also fold river instantly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    Quote Originally Posted by Massimo
    also fold river instantly
    bolded instantly implies that this is an ace like way way more than 70% of the time on this river?!

    If that's truly the case, there are probably a ton of spots I should be insta-folding... cause I really thought being ahead 30% might be good here.
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    Well not against that guy (ilduce?) dont think ure good 30% of the time.
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