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Carroters
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08-11-2010, 02:40 PM
Post subject: JJ 130 deep vs large squeeze.
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Villain is 100/200NL 6m reg Raiden, who's one of the better players less prone to cock waving/spew in these games. He's not a huge winner or anything, but better than most regtards. He runs 25/17 with a 5% 3 bet (6% from the bb) over 1.2k hands. The caller is also a reg that 3 bets a lot from the blinds, and so has a weak range here like 100%. Tis obv a good squeeze spot, but his sizing worries me. I don't think he's c betting this flop super lightly but can have a bunch of draws, he isn't a reg that c bets all that much in general. Thoughts on pre and post please?
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($99.60)
SB ($130.85)
BB ($130.20)
UTG ($195.10)
MP ($106.50)
Hero (CO) ($163.35)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J , J
2 folds, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, BB raises $16, Hero calls $14, 1 fold
Flop: ($37) 8, 7 , 9 (2 players)
BB bets $22, Hero?
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pocketfours
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You can't call pre only to setmine.
Call flop and see what the turn brings.
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Mr. Diamond
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If I call this and he bets on the turn (and I think this will happen a lot, if he cbets this drawy flop and has pot size shove on turn) I can continue only on J or T and fold on everything else (and we obv haven't odds to chase that J, T)
- I really want to call, but folding is probably better
edit: I thought about it again and PokerStove says it's easy call
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Da GOAT
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call flop and see.
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Luke999
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Call and re-eval.
His bet sizing on the flop makes me think he doesn't have an overpair, people tend to bet bigger especially on drawy boards with their overpairs.
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Pioneer
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I call flop and I'm probably continuing on any turn that isn't an Ace.
(Unless he makes same 1/2 pottish bet then I'm calling Ace turn.)
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Micro2Macro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
Villain is 100/200NL 6m reg Raiden, who's one of the better players less prone to cock waving/spew in these games.
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orly??
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Carroters
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
orly??
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Yah so I've found. He spewed vs you a bunch?
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Robb
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Squeeze stat?
I am just (re)learning here - my instinct would be to call. I think you're ahead here 90% of the time (well, at least 80%), and you want to give him rope.
I just don't know what I'd do on the turn/river. I'll give it a stab, maybe some others will weigh in with better advice.
For any non-diamond and non-A/K, I would call a 1/2 psb on the turn, and make a thin value bet the river if he checked. I would probably fold to a 3-barrel (river) if all the bets were at least 1/2 psb, unless I had a read on his 3-barreling air ability (but from what you said in your read that doesn't seem likely).
If an Ace hits, I'm not sticking around. Everything else is a possible blank, but I'm treading very carefully (ready to fold) if I see a K, 6 or diamond - or a jack.
Wonder what others think of later streets.
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Micro2Macro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
Yah so I've found. He spewed vs you a bunch?
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well at FR he seemed spewtarded but if he usually plays 6max then thats pretty standard.
this was like last year tho aha
fold flop
YEAH I WENT THERE
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Da GOAT
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can we see next card please??
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Carroters
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You may not see da next card for I did not call da flop 
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meeloche
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
You may not see da next card for I did not call da flop |
why call pre then? Pretty good flop for you imo, I'd be flatting at least 1 once i decided to call pre.
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BooG690
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
You may not see da next card for I did not call da flop |
Thought process behind folding plox
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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Micro2Macro
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what's his cbetting range on THIS flop?
just because we call pre doesn't mean we have to continue on every single board we flop an overpair on.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
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Luke999
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
what's his cbetting range on THIS flop?
just because we call pre doesn't mean we have to continue on every single board we flop an overpair on.
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What range do you give to him when he bets 22 into 37 on this board?
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if you cant raise/call very comfortably u should have folded preflop, 6% 3bet rapes JJ pretty bad so id prob fold pre.
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