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Old 08-05-2007, 02:58 PM     Post subject: Jacks facing wierd turn double donk. #1 (permalink)  
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Wtf is this turn bet all about? Opp bought in deep so i assume he is decent, no stats.

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Table: FALCON DR (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - BERGGREN ($417 in chips)
Seat 4 - HELENMIG ($60.15 in chips)
Seat 5 - SIRFRANKY ($405.95 in chips)
Seat 6 - POKERNUT18 ($79.25 in chips)
Seat 1 - RON7655 ($383.60 in chips)
Seat 2 - MIFFED22001 ($273.80 in chips)
HELENMIG - Posts small blind $1
SIRFRANKY - Posts big blind $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to MIFFED22001 [Jh Js]
POKERNUT18 - Calls $2
RON7655 - Calls $2
MIFFED22001 - Raises $14 to $14
BERGGREN - Calls $14
HELENMIG - Folds
SIRFRANKY - Folds
POKERNUT18 - Folds
RON7655 - Calls $12
*** FLOP *** [3s 2s 4h]
RON7655 - Bets $12
MIFFED22001 - Raises $45 to $45
BERGGREN - Folds
RON7655 - Calls $33
*** TURN *** [3s 2s 4h] [7d]
RON7655 - Bets $22
MIFFED22001 - is trying to click his all in button....
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:03 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 man, what is this really besides a set? I think i call down if he makes another weak bet on the river.
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 I can't see that not being a blocker, so a shove is fine here IMO.
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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At low stakes this looks like a poor player with a hand like 66 or something. At 400NL, can it really be? Could he have literally forgotten you just raised and is making a small value bet? Or is he assuming you'll raise/push at which point he can stack you with his 22?
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 if he check i bet/fold to a raise. If he donks again im pushing i think because the board is ugly.
As a blocker is it an Ax drawy hand or a pair plus draw hand type thing nearly always.

Ron is a complete unknow to me despite buying in 200bbs deep. Bergren and the others are not
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:13 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 just get it in, if he's really donking huge strength note it and next time dont raise the flop.
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i dont understand why risk whole stack here with no reads if u can call and decide on river without much risk. if ur ahead u still win most of time. u dont know where he is at by the way he played it.

did he have ATs ?
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i dont understand why risk whole stack here with no reads if u can call and decide on river without much risk. if ur ahead u still win most of time. u dont know where he is at by the way he played it.

did he have ATs ?
quite simple, ill face a big river bet on any river card including really scary ones. Its fold or felt it right here right now IMO.
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Old 08-05-2007, 06:29 PM #9 (permalink)  
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i stick it in without more specific reads
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quite simple, ill face a big river bet on any river card including really scary ones. Its fold or felt it right here right now IMO.
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i dont have enough knowledge to really advce this much but i think, given the pot is already quite big, theres big chance ur beat but still u can see what happen on river cheap...so calling may be close to folding.

SO, getting confused i dont think he has set and i think he has flush draw, his turn bet is so weird to me.

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 the only reason i even consider that we shouldn't get it in is because miffed posted it and clearly lost.
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 43s for the results orientated.
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43s for the results orientated.
Wow, I think that's the play of an extreme noob.
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Old 08-05-2007, 08:54 PM #14 (permalink)  
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43s for the results orientated.
Wow, I think that's the play of an extreme noob.
my assumption tends to be that on ap where you can buy in 200bbs deep, if you do so youre probably a set camping nit, if you buy in 100bbs deep youre probably trying to be good and anyone else is a fish (and there are loads of $80 buy ins (minimum) even for 200nl games)
So yeah, i was really surprised when this was a hand that could have been felted way easier. I shrugged and lost my 7th buy in of the day
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 FWIW I think more often than not, this is a draw or a hand that he thinks might be good but isn't willing to play for stacks unless you initiate it, like say 99 or something.

Edit: I see you lost but I still think without proper reads you have to push here.


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FWIW I think more often than not, this is a draw or a hand that he thinks might be good but isn't willing to play for stacks unless you initiate it, like say 99 or something.

Edit: I see you lost but I still think without proper reads you have to push here.
agreed, when i played it i thopught wtf then insta-pushed and thought 99/TT might just call this. Then i see 43s and think hmmm you played that like a n00b sir.

I think its fine as played, or at least not bad which leaves me fine with it.
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