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samsonite2100
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09-01-2006, 06:00 PM
Post subject: Jacking Off in the Small Blind
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($97)
UTG ($100.10)
MP ($44)
Button ($36.50)
Hero ($122.60)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J , K .
1 fold, MP calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($4) 8, 2 , K (4 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, MP calls $3, Button folds.
Turn: ($13) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $10, BB folds, MP raises to $20, Hero raises to $118.6
Villain had just sat down so no PaHud reads yet, but he had taken one medium-sized pot off me already. Do we likey? Also, I usually raise PF here, but had been running about 32/30 and was taking an image break. 
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Fnord
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His stack size is really important here. Also, your view of poker seems too narcissistic.
I check this turn a lot.
Once you hammer the turn, it's either stick it in or fold to the raise...
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His stack size is really important here.
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Mmmm-hmmm.
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Also, your view of poker seems too narcissistic.
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Is this a joke, or do you really not think table image is important?
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Fnord
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Is this a joke, or do you really not think table image is important?
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Over-rated. Lots of people just play their game unless given a reason to change that up. Since we're in the same player pool, I can confidently say you don't need to play 32/30 to get an absurd amount of action.
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09-01-2006, 06:13 PM
Post subject: Re: Jacking Off in the Small Blind
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Originally Posted by samsonite2100
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($97)
UTG ($100.10)
MP ($44)
Button ($36.50)
Hero ($122.60)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J , K .
1 fold, MP calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($4) 8 , 2 , K (4 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, MP calls $3, Button folds.
Turn: ($13) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $10, BB folds, MP raises to $20, Hero raises to $118.6
Villain had just sat down so no PaHud reads yet, but he had taken one medium-sized pot off me already. Do we likey? Also, I usually raise PF here, but had been running about 32/30 and was taking an image break.
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what does leading the turn achieve that c/c'ing doesnt.
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samsonite2100
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Originally Posted by samsonite2100
Is this a joke, or do you really not think table image is important?
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Over-rated. Lots of people just play their game unless given a reason to change that up. Since we're in the same player pool, I can confidently say you don't need to play 32/30 to get an absurd amount of action. |
Well, 32/30 is higher than I consistently run--I've probably been averaging like 25/20-ish--hence the PF cool off. And by "unless given a reason to change that up," wouldn't you say getting raised and reraised constantly would qualify? I guess we play differently b/c I get loads of action from frustrating nits and awareness of table image is pretty important in the whole process.
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what does leading the turn achieve that c/c'ing doesnt.
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Eh, actually, you're probably right about the turn action--I was focusing more on the short-stack play, but that's a valid point.
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Without a read on shorty I think it's virtually impossible to say anything constructive about this hand with his stack. I'm not the only one who has seen this exact play from a gigantic range spanning bottom pair to top set.
Yay for shorties disguising the strength of their hand with their pathetic stack.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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yuck fold turn. I dont like it at all. Btw, I normally check this turn, and if its checked through I lead river.
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Cocco_Bill
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I don't like it
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samsonite2100
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yuck fold turn. I dont like it at all. Btw, I normally check this turn, and if its checked through I lead river.
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Okay, I agree that checking the turn is probably the better line here, but you're really folding TPGK to a shortstack minraise? That seems pretty weak to me. Wasn't there a thread recently about how TP is the nutz against shorties?
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Robert
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The flop is VERY dry and villians betting pattern doesnt really fit with a hand that we beat (like TPWK or any draw). And remember, if we want to go to showdown with our hand against the shortie we are probably ending allin on the river and thus we end calling more than just the turnminraise.
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I think the push on the turn is messing with analysis some. Villain only has $20 behind and the pot is already $50. So, really we are getting 3.5-1 here with TPMK against a shortstack who really could do this with anything. Throw some added folding equity and the weakness of villain's minraise, I don't mind putting him allin.
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samsonite2100
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
I think the push on the turn is messing with analysis some. Villain only has $20 behind and the pot is already $50. So, really we are getting 3.5-1 here with TPMK against a shortstack who really could do this with anything. Throw some added folding equity and the weakness of villain's minraise, I don't mind putting him allin.
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That was basically my thought process. Pretty marginal, but it seemed preferable to folding. Although my abiding hatred of shortstacks and minraises may also have factored into the decision, also...
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