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Da GOAT
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09-23-2008, 09:01 AM
Post subject: J9s 200nl 3w pot
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Straight Flush
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22/12 seems solid but takes odd lines. other guy is a fish. wots your turn line?
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG trinoo ($287.97)
UTG+1 zaino ($313.80)
CO drizhmo ($112.50)
BTN Hero ($208.15)
SB ace662 ($215.95)
BB 777dee777 ($57.50)
Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN  
1 fold, zaino calls $2, drizhmo raises to $6, Hero calls $6, ace662 calls $5, 1 fold, zaino calls $4
Flop:    ($26, 4 players)
ace662 bets $13, zaino calls $13, 1 fold, Hero calls $13
Turn:  ($65, 3 players)
ace662 checks, zaino checks, Hero ($189.15)?
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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FUCKING
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al yell
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Flush
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bet/shove to raise. you've got decent equity vs even a tight range.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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hah this was the coolest hand and no one commented on it
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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bet 3/4 pot on turn
if fish calls shut down on riv unimproved
if tagg calls bet any riv for close to pot
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
bet 3/4 pot on turn
if fish calls shut down on riv unimproved
if tagg calls bet any riv for close to pot
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Are you assuming that the tagg would raise all hands better than us here but fish would just call?
I'd probably bet again vs fish too on a blank river.
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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nah I think by betting turn and riv we ll often fold out a hand like AK or AQ from tagg
I wouldn't bluff the fish on riv - grif r u v betting him on a blank w your J?
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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JL
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
nah I think by betting turn and riv we ll often fold out a hand like AK or AQ from tagg
I wouldn't bluff the fish on riv - grif r u v betting him on a blank w your J?
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Hero has 2 pair.
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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lol oops
self-imposed ban imo
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
lol oops
self-imposed ban imo
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lol.... yaaah.. this is why I was confused 
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mixchange
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bet $48 getting it in is marginal though
why don't we raise flop? with so many outs unless someone has a set the turn is easier to play
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benny999
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i think the ? goes on the flop too...turn seems obv as bet, like to have AI by river.
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benny999
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also lol @bigspenda
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bigspenda73
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it's funny, Im not sure if Nuts will look in here again, but he and I talked about this very hand for like 15 minutes
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GatorJH
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I like a check here because unless a non spade Q or K falls on the river you could get one of the 2nd best hands to lead out. Then when you shove over it looks like you are trying to steal the pot with your missed draw.
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Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
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benny999
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what'd u talk about? i'm sure i'm missing something here if u guys talked so long.
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GatorJH
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of course the only problem with my plan is that any club may kill your action.
A benefit to betting here is that you could get a made straight to c/r you which they may not do if a club hits the river.
Interesting spot.
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Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
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benny999
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
I like a check here because unless a non spade Q or K falls on the river you could get one of the 2nd best hands to lead out. Then when you shove over it looks like you are trying to steal the pot with your missed draw.
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I don't like checking the turn because there's so many bad river cards for villain...any club, 7, 8, Q, K.
i'd rather bet big to get ai on the turn. it's unlikely we're beat - villain wouldn't check better hands than ours much, but will c/c AQ, AK, maybe c/r those...among c/c from QJ etc..gotta extract value on the turn IMO.
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Da GOAT
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Straight Flush
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and spenda passed on nutz opinion to me.
hand is very interesting.
i think flop is kinda standard since we are getting huge odds on flop to make calling quality, dont wanna push fish out of the pot, leader obv looks very strong when he leads, fish we pays a good amount if we hit.
okay so on turn i bet $41 and leader minraised me, fish folded, $41 back to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Fnord
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Check the turn. Not excited about getting all of the money in here (a bet commits us) and would like to see a river card + action.
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nutsinho
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not gonna go through all of the pros/cons but i said bet $28 on the turn and peeling/folding river unimproved vs small raises and folding to significant raises
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Galapogos
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Spenda's first reply in this thread is awesome out of context.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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