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Surf_Thug

08-08-2005, 10:33 PM Post subject: I've burnt through my entire bankroll at Party's 6-max..

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I started playing party's 10-max 25-NL tables, mostly camping.

I worked my bankroll up almost to 1k. I then pulled some money out and took about a $500 dollar roll to 6-max and over the course of 1 month i've lost it all, and an aditional $150 I bought in with..

I don't understand how I can be so succesfull at 10 handed, and lose my a$$ at 6-Handed..
So I'm going back to 10 handed for a while boys, wish me luck, and I will be back to this forum once I get my act together.

BTW, Has this happened to anyone else? and if you figured out what your problem was please share, because I might have the same one. I understand that 6-max is swingier, but jesus, I can't stomach $500 dollar swings all the time.

Currently Playing 8 Tables of 25NL 10-Max.
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Current Bankroll: $625

Goal: To stop pulling $$$ out of my bankroll and build it up to 1k.

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k8s

08-08-2005, 10:47 PM

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Location: Stars 6-Max 100NL

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I would look at your play. $500 at 25NL seems a bit much. At 50NL, I could see that happening though. Maybe you didn't fully adjust over to 6-max? Post some hands you think you played wrong or move to 10max.

andr3w321

08-08-2005, 11:44 PM

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I don't play much 25NL short handed, but at the higher stakes, aggression wins. If its folded to me and I hold any playable hand (I'm talking Ax, Kx, 2 cards higher than a 9, suited connectors, 1 gap connectors and pp) I'm raising 3-4x the bb. You may be camping too much and not playing enough hands. You have to be able to call down and bet out your mid pair sometimes shorthanded. When first learning the game I would only play one table at a time and get profitable at that before I add more tables. Another thing you have to be able to do shorthanded is adjust to your table and play the players a lot more. If you know someone is raising with BS you have to come over the top or check raise them with your good hands. If the table is tight, steal a lot of blinds, if its loose, check/raise a lot and let the other players do your betting for you. Hope this helps, try posting some hands for review, or even a session if you like.

DimitriT

08-09-2005, 05:55 PM

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6 handed is also a place where I can't seem to win consistently. I blew through my initial $600 deposit on stars in a couple of months before I settled down and got discipline in my game. I played 6MAX for a few weeks, did extremely well the first two and then went into a nose dive. After four weeks I had lost all my winnings and had eaten through 30% of my deposit. Now I'm back to playing my standard 25NL game and am slowly building it back up.

6MAX is fun because of the action but I've decided having fun costs me too much.

Les_Worm

08-09-2005, 06:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andr3w321

If its folded to me and I hold any playable hand (I'm talking Ax, Kx, 2 cards higher than a 9, suited connectors, 1 gap connectors and pp) I'm raising

Some of those hands you mentioned are junk.

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golf1886

08-09-2005, 06:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Les_Worm

Quote:

Originally Posted by andr3w321

If its folded to me and I hold any playable hand (I'm talking Ax, Kx, 2 cards higher than a 9, suited connectors, 1 gap connectors and pp) I'm raising

Some of those hands you mentioned are junk.

Yea, know kidding. If you raise with those hands and get called, you're behind almost all the time.

Seabass

08-09-2005, 08:26 PM

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I wouldnt raise with rags at the smaller stakes as people realy love to call down with crap hands.

Other then that, I can only agree with what andr3w321 said, you need to be able to spot who is tagg? who is raising with rags? who is a rock? who is a caller? and change your play to handle them. Oh, and this is going to sound obvious, if the table is/turn bad, leave!

andr3w321

08-09-2005, 09:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by golf1886

Quote:

Originally Posted by Les_Worm

Quote:

Originally Posted by andr3w321

If its folded to me and I hold any playable hand (I'm talking Ax, Kx, 2 cards higher than a 9, suited connectors, 1 gap connectors and pp) I'm raising

Some of those hands you mentioned are junk.

Yea, know kidding. If you raise with those hands and get called, you're behind almost all the time.

You just have to make sure you play well postflop and you are fine. Have you watched rippy play? He has much looser raising requirements than those if its folded to him. 25NL there's not much point in stealing the blinds, but I would say at 100NL and up it becomes profitable. I basically try to isolate to one player and then outplay them. The only hands I really limp with are low pp, 77 or below, and as for Ax and Kx it has to be suited and 8 or better kicker. I don't play these if there's already someone in the hand, only if its me vs blinds, in which case I'm way ahead of the average hand. After awhile people will catch on and you have to tighten up a bit and that is when you destack them. You would not believe how much action I get from AA after doing this for awhile. You just have to make sure you're always raising the amount that gets people to fold preflop, typically that is 4x bb because 3x bb gets no respect it seems.

andr3w321

08-09-2005, 10:36 PM

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Here's a good example of what I'm talking about.

PokerStars Game #2301089051: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/08/09 - 18:28:49 (ET)
Table 'Eunike III' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: MarkassTJ ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: GeorgeOrwell ($31.40 in chips)
Seat 3: andr3w321 ($93.35 in chips)
Seat 4: friscolooder ($32.35 in chips)
Seat 6: hankchin ($42.80 in chips)
hankchin: posts small blind $0.50
MarkassTJ: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [:Kc:

]
GeorgeOrwell: folds
andr3w321: raises $2 to $3
friscolooder: folds
hankchin: folds
MarkassTJ: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [:Th:

]
MarkassTJ: checks
andr3w321: bets $4
MarkassTJ: calls $4
*** TURN *** [Th 8d 2d] [:Ah:]
MarkassTJ: checks
andr3w321: bets $8
MarkassTJ: calls $8
*** RIVER *** [Th 8d 2d Ah] [:As:]
MarkassTJ: checks
andr3w321: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MarkassTJ: shows [3d 3c] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
andr3w321: shows [Kc 8c] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
andr3w321 collected $29.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $30.50 | Rake $1.45
Board [Th 8d 2d Ah As]
Seat 1: MarkassTJ (big blind) showed [3d 3c] and lost with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 2: GeorgeOrwell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: andr3w321 showed [Kc 8c] and won ($29.05) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 4: friscolooder (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: hankchin (small blind) folded before Flop

Les_Worm

08-09-2005, 10:56 PM

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Where did you outplay him preflop? You raised in mid position w/ a bad hand, you caught a piece of the flop and some donk called you down. I know what you are saying and I understand what you are talking about but this was just a bad example. Post flop play is very important especially at higher levels but in the case of surf_thug, he is only playing 25nl and post flop play is limited.

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andr3w321

08-09-2005, 11:01 PM

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I didn't outplay him on this hand. This is a good example because I raised a marginal hand preflop and bet out mid pair which is what you have to do to win shorthanded. Some people criticized some of the hands I play and I'm saying that people call my raises all day long with A2o and 33.

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Originally Posted by golf1886

Quote:

Originally Posted by Les_Worm

Quote:

Originally Posted by andr3w321

If its folded to me and I hold any playable hand (I'm talking Ax, Kx, 2 cards higher than a 9, suited connectors, 1 gap connectors and pp) I'm raising

Some of those hands you mentioned are junk.

Yea, know kidding. If you raise with those hands and get called, you're behind almost all the time.

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