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AnTman_69
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10-27-2008, 12:30 PM
Post subject: Its suited...and im on the button, wat to do?
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Flush
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My 3rd hand at the table. No reads..nothing..players all unknown.
What is standard here.. for 50nl?
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG GlasgowJim ($52.85)
UTG+1 Bodo84 ($49.25)
CO minitibbles ($101.40)
BTN Hero ($50.00)
SB el_Jedi ($10.05)
BB mo_pe87 ($50.50)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN  
GlasgowJim raises to $2, Bodo84 raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero ?
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ATOTHEC101
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Full House
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$20 and call a shove.
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will641
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4-of-a-Kind
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man, actually im not so hot on 4-betting. youre facing an utg raise and a 3-bet utg+1. i think i would prefer a call, because utg at that point won't be sticking it in w/o KK+, in which case you know your dominated and fold.
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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Fnord
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Fold
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by will641
man, actually im not so hot on 4-betting. youre facing an utg raise and a 3-bet utg+1. i think i would prefer a call, because utg at that point won't be sticking it in w/o KK+, in which case you know your dominated and fold.
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If we call:
We fold most flops even when we have the same hand
We never stack QQ when an A or K flops
We occasionally lose big to AA or KK (or QQ on a AQx type flop).
We occasionally fold (or call and lose) when GlasgowJim shoves.
seems pretty bad.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Sugar Nut
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Never call. 4bet/call-it-off or just fold.
I prefer a fold if I have zero reads. It's not that it's too common to light 3bet UTG raisers anyways at 50NL, is it?
Sugar Nut
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Fnord
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Against light 3-betters 4-bet bluffing here is fun.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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Call
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Fnord
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ISF,
Are you flatting Aces?
Are you biased by playing in vastly more aggressive games?
Depending on game texture, etc. this can be a very routine fold for me.
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nutsinho
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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Call.
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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Sugar Nut
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Call
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How do we proceed on a variety of boards vs a variety of actions?
I'm sure you guys are not planning on playing fit/fold, so what's our plan?
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
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to the people saying call, what is your plan on some typical flops? Also what if the initial raiser shoves. Do we fold?
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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AnTman_69
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Okay.. So i choose to flat.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG GlasgowJim ($52.85)
UTG+1 Bodo84 ($49.25)
CO minitibbles ($101.40)
BTN Hero ($50.00)
SB el_Jedi ($10.05)
BB mo_pe87 ($50.50)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN
GlasgowJim raises to $2, Bodo84 raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 1 fold, mo_pe87 calls $5.50, GlasgowJim raises to $52,Bodo84 folds, el_Jedi says "?????????", [color=#cc0000][b]Hero ?
IS he shoving here cause theres tonnes of dead money in the pot? Or am i totally dominated. Are we calling, or folding to the shove.
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silu73
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Full House
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call and call. for 100bb i'm never folding AK pre ever, ever, ever, ever unless its the nittiest nit.
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TheRedEyeJedi13
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Two Pair
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you call and he turns over aces  or a stupid pocket pair.
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will641
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by TheRedEyeJedi13
you call and he turns over aces or a stupid pocket pair. |
actually if he calls he will be seeing a flop like 90% of the time and nothing will be turned over.
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
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Come on guys this thread is split 50/50 so someones obviously not getting something here. Can the people who said call give some explanation as to why its the best option and some idea of a plan for the flop? Just saying call with no reasoning is pretty worthless to anyone who didnt already agree.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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bigspenda73
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I'd like to note that the people saying call play 25/50+
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bigspenda73
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Oh and that's not me saying that they are correct, it's me assuming the ranges in this situation at 50nl are ridiculously more tight that those at higher, more aggro 6max games.
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nutsinho
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I like calling because it's actually pretty easy to play the hand in position in a 3bet pot. Especially if utg comes along, your opponents will be playing their hands face up since everyone appears to have a pretty strong hand so trying to bluff two opponents out of a large pot is understood to be a bad idea. If you flop a pair you can profitably get to showdown vs one opponent, and you can extract value across 1-2 streets however you choose when they check to you on your paired flops because someone prob has teh QQ which is basically the nizzles.
Additional value comes from betting blank flops when checked to which should happen a bunch, because utg1 will often have AK also and give up vs 2 opponents and you can rep the purr in position. And the suitedness is the kicker as I'd probably muck AKo here for sure; we can profitably jam any flop with 2 diamonds and I would suspect profitably float or jam like a JTx one diamond flop.
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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How about the fact we dont close the action though?
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Just playing to improve.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
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and theres a good chance GlasgowJim checks a good hand on the flop in the hope that bodo or us bet at it.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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thizzSantaCruz
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pelion
and theres a good chance GlasgowJim checks a good hand on the flop in the hope that bodo or us bet at it.
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I kinda doubt this. He's going to be shoving most big pairs pf I would think not wanting to play a flop 3 way out of position. When he does call and thinks he has the best hand hes going to have to be for protection on all but the dryest of flops.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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very easy call, no other option make sense
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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@ pelion
we can call and only continue on flops we hit and probably make a profit. AK suited hits over 40% of flops
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Fold
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not on the button, not in six max
make this a full ring game or make us the small blind and it can be a fold
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