www.flopturnriver.com

Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

Already Registered? Username: Password: Remember Forgot Password
Tweet

Im a calling station-but i dont have a better line

LinkBack

Thread Tools

Display Modes

apunisher

03-30-2007, 08:45 PM Post subject: Im a calling station-but i dont have a better line

#1 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Mar 2006

Posts: 398

Stage #617668411: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2007-03-30 16:41:47 (ET)
Table: CHARLESTON DR (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - BROKENJOKE ($6.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - PETEN2TOMS ($51.55 in chips)
Seat 4 - SC1733 ($61.65 in chips)
Seat 5 - ANDREW_CBR ($48.70 in chips)
Seat 6 - BULLSFAN1227 ($27.30 in chips)
Seat 1 - EVILGAVIN ($68.35 in chips)
PETEN2TOMS - Posts small blind $0.10
SC1733 - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BULLSFAN1227 [Ah Jc]
ANDREW_CBR - Folds
BULLSFAN1227 - Raises $1 to $1
EVILGAVIN - Folds
BROKENJOKE - Calls $1
PETEN2TOMS - Calls $0.90
SC1733 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs As 4s]
PETEN2TOMS - Bets $2.75
BULLSFAN1227 - Calls $2.75
BROKENJOKE - Folds
*** TURN *** [Qs As 4s] [2c]
PETEN2TOMS - Bets $6.50
BULLSFAN1227 - Calls $6.50
*** RIVER *** [Qs As 4s 2c] [Ac]
PETEN2TOMS - Bets $14
BULLSFAN1227 - Calls $14

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!

donkbee

03-31-2007, 04:14 AM

#2 (permalink)

WELP

Join Date: May 2005

Location: so close but so far

Posts: 3,604

I think you need to raise the flop. Maybe to $7?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

benny999

03-31-2007, 04:24 AM

#3 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jun 2005

Posts: 1,567

reads help a lot, but assuming no reads i think this is alright. i might fold on the turn, since draws and worse hands prob check-call or lead weaker rather than lead strongly again.
raising flop i think is just as good as playing it like this, but it sucks if opp would 3bet u on a draw on the flop.

bode

03-31-2007, 04:51 AM

#4 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: May 2006

Location: slow motion

Posts: 4,270

bode is an unknown quantity at this point

i dont think this is a bad line. Either fold turn or call down.

Quote:

eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.

IowaSkinsFan

03-31-2007, 04:56 AM

#5 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: Oct 2004

Posts: 7,148

IowaSkinsFan will become famous soon enough

ill fold the flop a lot. Try to get at least stats or reads.

Check out the new blog!!!

Genitruc

03-31-2007, 05:56 AM

#6 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: Dec 2005

Posts: 4,463

Genitruc is an unknown quantity at this point

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

bigspenda73

03-31-2007, 06:18 AM

#7 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: Jul 2006

Location: Pwnsylvania

Posts: 7,545

bigspenda73 will become famous soon enough

Raising the flop allows us to get 3bet AI a lot though eh?

Call and evaluate turn, then fold.

Harry

03-31-2007, 06:29 AM

#8 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: May 2006

Location: Philly

Posts: 722

I don't see anything wrong with this hand really. Its hard to know the perfect line without a read.

You could argue for a turn fold. If you call the turn you need to call the river though imo.

PSU Class of 2011 weeeeeeee!

donkbee

03-31-2007, 08:47 AM

#9 (permalink)

WELP

Join Date: May 2005

Location: so close but so far

Posts: 3,604

When I replied I didn't even realize it was a 3 flush flop. GG my HH reading skills.

Despite all the replies though, I don't understand why just calling and giving him free cards after he bets OOP on the flop is good. Someone please explain because I feel like a big fish right now for not getting it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

Genitruc

03-31-2007, 06:24 PM

#10 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: Dec 2005

Posts: 4,463

Quote:

Originally Posted by courtiebee

At nl25 most ppl are donks.

When villain bets into you on the monotone board we can guess that they either have :

-bare flushdraw (prob K high)
-2 pair (unlikely except for A4)
-Ax (almost never a better ace than ours since villain smooth-called preflop)
-set
-flopped flush
-random weird senseless hand (think 99 w 9s or something)

After villain leads into us with this range, what will raising accomplish, assuming we're folding to a push?

-it'll cost us about 35bb's (assuming we make it like 8-9$ to go), which is really annoying as a spew if we're often folding to villain's push

-it'll push villain off of his weird/lame hands (unless they're a total fish)

-best case scenario villain flat-calls, we successfully put him on a FD. Even then, villain still stands to win a huge pot if a spade comes. Also if he makes a big bluff we have to fold almost always since we only have... a bluff-catcher on this board.

In a tourney a solid case can be made for raise-fold (assuming we know villain's range will be bluffs which they fold to our raise and monsters which they felt... even that's kind of debatable) in order to protect our hand when ahead and easily fold it when behind.

In cash, in position, so many times a villain will give up on a later street. Also, assuming villain's leads into us include monsters that don't have a spade in them, calling also lets us make a lots of profitable bluffs on laters streets when a spade does fall and villain will be hard-pressed to call (even with a set) on a 4-flush board.

Basically, calling gives us more options in position. On a board like this, the strength of our hand is somewhat meaningless when we're in position. We can do so many things... plus we have a hand with showdown value to boot.

Raising gives the options back to villain. When we flat call he'll be forced to allow us to play perfectly on later streets since he'll almost always :

-bet out when another spade hits, indicating he flopped the big flush = we fold EZ

-check when another spade hits = we get to steal the pot since his low flush/set/2 pair is now scared, plus our hand LOOKS like a draw

-bet out when a spade doesn't hit, indicating he really likes his hand = we can call if we think our hand might be best with our decent kicker or fold and give up the pot.

edit : this long-winded blurb could be much longer, but I think that's pretty much the jist of it.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

donkbee

04-01-2007, 01:21 AM

#11 (permalink)

WELP

Join Date: May 2005

Location: so close but so far

Posts: 3,604

Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the great response, I appreciate it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

Latest Poker News
KoRnholio	05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ... more at Poker Blogs »

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Trackbacks are On Pingbacks are On Refbacks are On Forum Rules

All times are GMT. The time now is 09:12 AM.

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum

This is not a gambling website.

Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

Poker Forum

Short-Handed NL Hold'em

Im a calling station-but i dont have a better line

Play for FREE and practice your game at...