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08-24-2006, 06:29 PM
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1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
2. Raise lots of hands in late position and fewer hands in early position.
3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
5. Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you dont have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)
6. Raise/Reraise 2 Pair+sets+ combo draws on flop.
7. In a raised pot ifyou can beat Aces you have the nuts.
8. Dont make big laydowns. By the time you can actually think about making a big laydown you are getting too good of a price at the pot to fold.(I.E dont fold sets)
Ok now you can go make at least 100k a year just knowing that.
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Looks good. I raise and reraise more hands though. I like losing respect at 6max.
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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Looks good. I raise and reraise more hands though. I like losing respect at 6max.
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Yes Yes this is fine. I am just saying if you just do this you can still make 100k a year playing poker online.
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So, there'll be a moneyback guarantee, right?
Guys?
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ya dude you get all the money you paid aces for this guide back
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how bout simple guide for full ring? or is full ring uncool?
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i think #7 should be changed to "if you beat aces in a raised pot"
its bad advice in unraised pots
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08-24-2006, 08:57 PM
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So limp like 40% of the time you are in? Limp early, raise late?
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how bout simple guide for full ring? or is full ring uncool?
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Same thing but lower your VPIP to 15% and your PFR to 8% and your good to go.
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08-24-2006, 09:07 PM
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1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
2. Raise lots of hands in late position and fewer hands in early position.
3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
5. Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you dont have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)
6. Raise/Reraise 2 Pair+sets+ combo draws on flop.
7. If you can beat Aces you have the nuts.
8. Dont make big laydowns. By the time you can actually think about making a big laydown you are getting too good of a price at the pot to fold.(I.E dont fold sets)
Ok now you can go make at least 100k a year just knowing that.
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to do a gabe and paraphrase this.
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Make sets
get paid.
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08-25-2006, 12:12 AM
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I think this could be a huge leak at low stakes.
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ilikeaces, what is your variance like at 3/6?
its seems to be pretty bad for gabe
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ilikeaces, what is your variance like at 3/6?
its seems to be pretty bad for gabe
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Pretty low variance
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i would imagine that gabes style is higher variance/winrate than that of yours
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Gabe goes ai alot cuz he wants that money in his account!
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08-25-2006, 06:18 AM
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to do a gabe and paraphrase this.
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Make sets
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My new strategy is better:
Make Quads.
Stack Renton.
It's the ultimate 
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08-25-2006, 01:41 PM
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4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
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I think this could be a huge leak at low stakes. |
Nope, it isn't, I can assure you. Well, maybe at $10 where you have 4+ people seeing the flop, but if you bet and isolate PF like you're supposed to you'll be fine.
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08-25-2006, 04:42 PM
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1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???
9. Profit
Ok now you can go make at least 100k a year just knowing that.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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08-25-2006, 05:15 PM
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1. Get dealt AA
2. Profit
standard ilikeaces86
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ilikeaces just aims to break-even in the 10-20 hand stretches between the hands where he has AA. Then profit strikes.
When he doesn't get AA for more than 20 hands, that is called a downswing.
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08-28-2006, 12:35 AM
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1. Get dealt AA
2. Profit
standard ilikeaces86
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its the ??????? that make it quality.
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Thanks for the advise ilikeaces86. I am glad that my stats look good but are at the higher end of 25/10. Funny enough my PFR at Full Tilt is only 7 (for some reason I can't make a buck there) and at Poker Stars its 12 (creaming the $25NL 6-max).
I almost always bet 1/2-3/4 of the pot if checked to and it only happens rarely someone c/r or calls. That usually happens in 3+ multiway pots but against 2 opp it works a treat hence raise pre-flop!!
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08-28-2006, 03:57 AM
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4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
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Nope, it isn't, I can assure you. Well, maybe at $10 where you have 4+ people seeing the flop, but if you bet and isolate PF like you're supposed to you'll be fine. |
I have to say this is wrong - I have been playing the PL25 tables at Holdem Poker and you cannot GET people out preflop or on the flop - I'll be in the BB with KK, 5 people will limp (or even raise) and after I pot it for $5+, I still get 4-5 callers - Its ridonkulous...That never happened at Full Tilt, so I think it depends on the site...But you cannot get people to fold preflop at Holdem...So i'm going to have to agree with Irish and quote the old saying "you can't bluff a calling station" - I learned this the hard way after a few nights of my usual somewhat "tricky" play and they just kept calling and calling and calling - Nice thing is when i've got a monster, im getting paid - I think where players are aware, yeah, you definitely want to bet when you've got that much weakness...But against calling stations that doesn't work - I only use it at Full Tilt so people see me as playing lots of hands and then they try to "trap me", but it's easy to spot them....anyway, depending on the site, you can't just try to run over them - The only reason im betting with nothing is to keep my image looser so people don't get out of the way when i hit -
excellent 6 max advice, for sure aces - Thanks
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PL is totally different for god knows what reason - it's like the fact you can't bet more than the pot is a licence to call any pre-flop or flop bet.
At 25NL it by and large works, and when it doesn't - there'll be tables when it doesn't, maybe 25% of them - you'll quickly realise it.
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well, i didn't want to segregate the PL because the PL tables at 25/25 hit $10-13 avg pots over there on 75% of the tables...$40 - $70 pots are not uncommon. So despite the lack of being able to get all in right from the go, they manage to get all in a lot...the pot avg. is much higher than 90% of the 25NL tables i've played at/seen (except late saturday nights - so it doesn't seem different than NL to me -
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08-28-2006, 05:08 PM
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I'm trying to learn 6 max. What is your starting hand range in order to reach around the top part of this vp$p? Of that starting hand range, what ones are you raising to reach your PFR range? And how much are you raising PF? Also is your raise consistant across your starting hand range (the ones your raising), or is it different depending on the hand?
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This is for 3/6 I guess? I'm pretty sure following these rules exactly combined with a little bit of hand reading skills should enable people to beat some 5/10 games as well, but not all of them. Very good post btw, now I gotta find a way to maximize profits against someone who plays exactly like this
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hahahaha
ilikeaces you are either an asshole or an idiot for posting this
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hahahaha
ilikeaces you are either an asshole or an idiot for posting this
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So are you saying this is not the way to play 6 max?
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Very good post btw, now I gotta find a way to maximize profits against someone who plays exactly like this
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Steal?
Reraise?
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3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
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How much to you like to reraise?
pot + call * 2?
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Well at least raising all decent draws big on the flop as well as being willing to get all in with TPTK or overpair on draw-heavy flops, as well as other stuff.
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1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
2. Raise lots of hands in late position and fewer hands in early position.
3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
5. Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you dont have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)
6. Raise/Reraise 2 Pair+sets+ combo draws on flop.
7. If you can beat Aces you have the nuts.
8. Dont make big laydowns. By the time you can actually think about making a big laydown you are getting too good of a price at the pot to fold.(I.E dont fold sets)
Ok now you can go make at least 100k a year just knowing that.
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#2 I assume you advocate limp-calling 66- EP? Are you often raising A3s CO with a limper? This is the part I've flipflopped on a couple times. I tend to raise PPs from all positions except the blinds. I also do raise hands like A3s with a limper ahead in the cutoff to keep my raising and aggression high. In reality I try to raise most/all hands I play except from the blinds. However, that means every hand I play is a larger pot than average and by the time I figure out my hand strength vs. my opponent, it's a pot worth fighting over (for both of us). Sometimes this works well, other times I get crushed. I'm thinking of limp/calling more with low pockets and tricky hands. I'm at like 19/13 now.
Thoughts?
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I like losing respect at 6max.
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I do too, but the sad fact is it doesn't take much and there isn't much to lose.
The hardest part about 6 max is swapping my gears. I do better when I start out with a big pot game then shift to a small pot game when the players are exploitable.
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08-31-2006, 10:52 AM
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I'm trying to learn 6 max. What is your starting hand range in order to reach around the top part of this vp$p? Of that starting hand range, what ones are you raising to reach your PFR range? And how much are you raising PF? Also is your raise consistant across your starting hand range (the ones your raising), or is it different depending on the hand? |
My 6max VP is around 25 and I play the following (raising about 1/2 the time, dependent on strength of cards and, more importantly, position + previous action):
All pocket pairs in all positions
AJ-AK in all positions
AT, KQ, KJ from most positions
Axs, Kxs and Ax when appropriate (limping Axs and Kxs after limpers, raising Axo on button or CO when folded to)
45s+ from most positions
QJ, 45+ from LP
57s, 57+, KT when appropriate
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Oh, and my standard raise is 4x (if I open) and 5x or 6x if there are limper(s) before me. I am thinking of reducing to 3x on certain tables as I feel I lose a bit of value sometimes.
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C-Bet. Is it automatic whether you hit the flop or not everytime you raise pre-flop? And how much to c-bet? 1/2-3/4 pot?
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not automatic, that is way too easily exploitable
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of course it's exploitable if you don't introduce random variation. ANY style that doesn't vary is easily exploitable. that should be assumed.
this list is to midstakes players as a good starting hand chart is to lowstakes players. once players realize that a hand chart guarantees a minimum amount of success while inherently preventing a maximum amount of success, they drop the chart in favor of applying their aquired skill in order to make more money. most low level fish never make it this far upstream.
this list is the new starting hand chart for players who have realized that hand charts are for shit. at some point, if one is to become a truly excellent player, they will eventually drop this list, too. but until that evolution is realized, most players are going to be best served by following these guidelines.
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This post should be stickied in shorthanded forum.
This mini guide has improved my shorthanded play a lot!
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they are all spot on except #7, amend 'in a raised pot' or something.
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This post should be stickied in shorthanded forum.
This mini guide has improved my shorthanded play a lot!
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they are all spot on except #7, amend 'in a raised pot' or something.
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Dude you have to stop talking about rule number seven. Reread it ! That is exactly what he says. In a raised pot if you can beat aces you have the nuts................
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they are all spot on except #7, amend 'in a raised pot' or something.
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Dude you have to stop talking about rule number seven. Reread it ! That is exactly what he says. In a raised pot if you can beat aces you have the nuts................ |
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they are all spot on except #7, amend 'in a raised pot' or something.
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Dude you have to stop talking about rule number seven. Reread it ! That is exactly what he says. In a raised pot if you can beat aces you have the nuts................ |
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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Doh ! I apologize Gabe...... New to forum but think it's great. I hope you guys keep it up
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Are you saying that if you hit top pair and someone raises that you should fold every time?
i don't understand rule number 5: "Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you don't have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)". If you fold every raised flop unless you have the nuts I don't think you'd ever show a profit. Should you only use this tactic for tight tables?
HoldemPoker is the last place I played 6 handed NL ($25) and I remember that there were a lot of players in on every flop and that there was a lot of raising on the flop even with weak hands.
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I do too, but the sad fact is it doesn't take much and there isn't much to lose.
The hardest part about 6 max is swapping my gears. I do better when I start out with a big pot game then shift to a small pot game when the players are exploitable. |
I agree whole heartedly. You can show one bluff and get a two hour residual off it.
Can you explain the big pot small pot thing a little more?
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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
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