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bbqsquirrel
Old 03-09-2007, 08:26 AM     Post subject: I suck at extracting values #1 (permalink)  
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Missed values -- how else could I play these hands?

Hand 1. I didn't know villain's hand was that good.

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Button ($26.10)
SB ($25)
BB ($26.75)
UTG ($24.60)
Hero ($25.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) 4, J, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.10) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5.

River: ($15.10) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5.

Final Pot: $25.10

Results in white below:
BB has Jc Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Ac Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $25.10.

Hand 2

Damn that river spade.

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SB ($25.90)
BB ($25)
UTG ($10.20)
Hero ($40.65)
CO ($24.20)
Button ($27.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T, T.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) K, T, 3 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1, Button raises to $2, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to $5.5, Button calls $3.50.

Turn: ($12.25) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $8.5, Button calls $8.50.

River: ($29.25) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $29.25

Results in white below:
Hero has Td Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Button has Kh 8d (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $29.25.
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Old 03-09-2007, 09:28 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Genitruc is an unknown quantity at this point
 Hand 1 bet more on river (potting is close to shoving so just shove).

Hand 2 is probably better to just shove since you're almost def priced in and his range isn't exclusively spades if he fires.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 03-09-2007, 02:45 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I would think the biggest loss in value is not raising pre-flop in Hand 2.
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Old 03-09-2007, 02:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1

Preflop is fine, the flop I may bet a little more $1.75 - splitting hairs lol
The turn bet is fine, but I'm betting more on the river, make it about $12 and I'm calling any push obv.

How had the villain not felted here? I've got no idea unless your stats are so nitty? He should have reraised the flop and turn - he got away lightly

Hand 2

Raise preflop to $1, good reraise on the flop, good bet on the turn. Just have the balls to make that last value bet on the river - you've got to push it. If he has a flush reload and take it like a pro!
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Old 03-09-2007, 03:00 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 hand 1: shove river. Agains a really aggro villain i dont mind this because they will shove over, but this villain is obv. pretty passive.

hand 2: definitly raise it up preflop. Dont always be afraid when the flush completes. At this level, people will definitly be calling any bet on the flop/turn trying to hit their flush but when villain min-raises the flop like this he will have a K way more than he has a flush draw.

stats on the villains would be nice.
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Old 03-09-2007, 05:59 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I would think the biggest loss in value is not raising pre-flop in Hand 2.
Yeah this hand is kinda weird. Personally I raise TT from all positions, sometimes 3bet with it. From 99-77 I start to look at my position and other players etc to see if I raise it up or not.
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