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Old 04-20-2007, 09:03 PM     Post subject: I suck. 10k checkup? #1 (permalink)  
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ISF: I, by far, suck the most. Go me!

No idea what I'm doing wrong. I killed 50NL for 10bb/100 and I'm a total fish at 100NL. What giiives, its driving me insane.

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Old 04-20-2007, 09:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 You're a little loose UTG, what's your range there?
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Old 04-20-2007, 09:33 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I'd say you're not adapting enough to position.

Your PF raise numbers don't vary enough as you move from UTG to the button. Try raising more in LP, and especially on the button.

Also your AF numbers are pretty low on the later streets. If you're rarely raising on later streets, you're not gonna get any action when you do raise!
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Old 04-20-2007, 09:43 PM #4 (permalink)  

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I would consider the following:

1a) Play more aggressively pre-flop to increase your PF Raise to between 17-20%.
-As a start to achieve this open up your Att. to steal range to >30-35%. Anything below that I consider to be playing too tight from position and leaving too much money on the table.

2) Play more positional aware
- Your button down to your BB should reduce greatly. As it is you are playing too loose pre flop from UTG.

3) Increase your overall aggression
- As a pure base try to achieve the following:
Flop AF = >3
Turn AF = >3
River AF =>2

(Above is an example)

They are many other factors to take into consideration, i.e. bb/hand on different starting hands etc

I would recommend the following article on 2+2:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=4946669

Also datamining as many hand as possible at $100 is a huge edge. Make sure you are adding statistics to HUD such as:

Att. to steal blind
- Will allow you to 3-bet more effectively.

Folded t0 C-bet
- This is invaluable as it will allow you to c-bet more effectively and profitably.

I would read the articly above on 2+2, will help you game alot.

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Old 04-20-2007, 10:04 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I think one of my main problems is I just dont pay enough attention.

Let me put an example:

Theres a guy I have 1000 hands on. I know jack shit about how he plays, just that he's tight. This is really, really fuckin bad. I'm HUD spoiled. I only 3 table, but I'm often doing many other things at the time. I guess I should cut it to two for a bit while working on the things mentioned by you all above.
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Old 04-20-2007, 10:11 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 your BB/100 is not ideal. but dont feel too bad, im only at 1.18 PTBB/100 over 15k hands at $0.50/$1.
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Old 04-20-2007, 10:14 PM #7 (permalink)  
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your BB/100 is not ideal.
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Old 04-21-2007, 03:27 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Main thing I notice is your position stats. Raise more late, less early. There should be more of a difference between your PFRs from each position.

As an example, my PFRs are 25, 21, 14, 13 from button to UTG. Your AF on the turn seems low as well.
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Old 04-21-2007, 03:42 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Theres a guy I have 1000 hands on. I know jack shit about how he plays, just that he's tight.
Every couple weeks I go through my db sorted by players with > 500 hands with me and look at every hand they've shown down and how they play it. Write notes in PT and upload to Stars.
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Old 04-21-2007, 04:08 AM #10 (permalink)  
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1on't limp UTG
2on't limp MP
3:Bring your BTN raise to around 22% (should get your steal to ~30%)
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Old 04-21-2007, 05:20 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 10k hands isn't a large enough sample at all... You probably need 30k now-a-days for a "checkup."

Also, preflop stats aren't going to solve all your problems. Many good players say that preflop stats are just a preference (to a reasonable degree, i'd say your stats are reasonable), and postflop is where you make the moolah.
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Old 04-21-2007, 07:18 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Also, preflop stats aren't going to solve all your problems. Many good players say that preflop stats are just a preference (to a reasonable degree, i'd say your stats are reasonable), and postflop is where you make the moolah.
I firmly, totally, and completely agree with this.

I find my self in a LOT of spots going "Ah, I know he just fucking turned/rivered me but I call..."

I guess my biggest help is just going to be post hand after hand after hand.
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I guess my biggest help is just going to be post hand after hand after hand.
Maybe. I've always felt that the more and more you play, the better you will get (as long as you're lead in the right direction, FTR helps that). Poker consists of basically two skills:

1. Putting your opponent on a range
2. Knowing the proper play(s) against that range

Get better at those two things. Posting hands will probably help as long as you really think about the advice and implement it into your game.
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Old 04-21-2007, 04:54 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Also, preflop stats aren't going to solve all your problems.

1. Putting your opponent on a range
These 2 points go hand in hand. If you have a wider Preflop range it is harder for your opponent to put you on a range. I agree that it is much better to try an improve your postflop game than your preflop, however they do affect each other. In my opinion a preflop leak can be just as costly as a postflop one.
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Old 04-21-2007, 05:44 PM     Post subject: Re: I suck. 10k checkup? #15 (permalink)  
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ISF: I, by far, suck the most. Go me!
lol did you like that post?

Small sample ive run much worse. If you feel like ur playing bad just be happy your winning, improvement will come.
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Old 04-21-2007, 05:57 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Also, preflop stats aren't going to solve all your problems.

1. Putting your opponent on a range
These 2 points go hand in hand. If you have a wider Preflop range it is harder for your opponent to put you on a range. I agree that it is much better to try an improve your postflop game than your preflop, however they do affect each other. In my opinion a preflop leak can be just as costly as a postflop one.
I want to revise my 2nd point (which for some reason you didn't quote, but i think you were refering to it, right?). Knowing what play to make is based on what you think your opponent is going to do, which may have to do with your image, range, etc. It may not. It's really just manipulating your opponents into doing what you want. Saying 'manipulating', makes it sound more complicated than it is, but it could be as simple as value betting Two Pair on the river and getting your opponent to call. This is manipulation because you are making your opponent think he has the winning hand when he doesn't.

Which brings me back to point 1. It's not really just putting your opponent on a range, it's reading your opponent.

Massimo's revised points on the two skills of poker:

1. Reading your opponent
2. Manipulating your opponent
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Old 04-22-2007, 04:40 AM #18 (permalink)  
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Calling rivers without putting the villain on a reasonable range that you beat was a major leak I used to have. Thinking "Oh but he could have the busted FD, I call" etc... can cost you quite a bit. There is not a lot of river bluffing at the small stakes from what I've seen.

The same is true for value betting the river as well. A leak can be thinking villain has whatever hand the river just completed, and missing your value bet. A ton of your profit comes from the river. Also, if your value bet gets raised, don't try to use pot odds as an excuse for making a horrible call.
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Old 04-22-2007, 10:54 AM #19 (permalink)  
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 Sample size is really too small to say, but I think the advice about exploiting/raising in position more is goot.

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Old 04-22-2007, 12:29 PM #20 (permalink)  
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It looks like you just give up on the BB - it's not a good position, sure, but you could perhaps play it harder.

Your turn AF is too low. Are you giving up too many hands when your cbets are called? A LOT of people's entire 100nl strategy seems to be based on floating then betting the turn. So fight back - either buy position through check/calling or check/raising on the flop; or lead or check/raise more turns.
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Old 04-22-2007, 01:40 PM #21 (permalink)  
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The same is true for value betting the river as well. A leak can be thinking villain has whatever hand the river just completed, and missing your value bet. A ton of your profit comes from the river. Also, if your value bet gets raised, don't try to use pot odds as an excuse for making a horrible call.
I think this piece of advice really hits my biggest hole. I check through tons of streets when scare cards some to control the pot in position, because I don't have faith in my ability to fold if i get c/r'd lol

Are you more likely to value bet a passive player, than an aggro player who makes plays?

I also feel like if its a scare card for me (flush card), then its a scare card for him as well if he didn't hit it. So he'd be less likely to call my value bet anyhow. Maybe this is bad logic.
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Griffey, I have the opposite problem - I can't bear not to lead on the river because I am seldom in a position where I know how I'll play any possible bet the villain could make. My river Aggression Factor over 108k hands at all levels is 3.88, which I'm sure is much too high.
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 my total post flop AF is higher than 3.88. 3.88 probably isn't too high.
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 im a little passive, by choice at the moment. My preflop game sucks, apart from that i match just about all the stats except stealing, where im only 23% but win quite a bit facing a steal.
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Sample size is really too small to say, but I think the advice about exploiting/raising in position more is goot.

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I still recommend reading the article I posted.

It will show you the majority of your leaks and explain how to plug them.
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Old 04-23-2007, 01:26 AM #27 (permalink)  
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Griffey, I have the opposite problem - I can't bear not to lead on the river because I am seldom in a position where I know how I'll play any possible bet the villain could make. My river Aggression Factor over 108k hands at all levels is 3.88, which I'm sure is much too high.
Biondino, I agree with this OOP. Leading/block betting for sure helps out.

My post was referring to too much checking through streets IN position, instead of value betting scare cards. Since I find myself calling the c/r's anyhow, I just check through.

Curiosity killed the cat.. and my BB/100.
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