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Old 04-18-2007, 07:09 AM     Post subject: I play 87s weird and get strange push. #1 (permalink)  
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 opp is a 25/6, pretty aggressive, nothing ridiculous though. I've never seen him play a hand like this. Turn and river combo kind of looks like a missed draw, i didn't know if it was likely enough, though, for me to make the call though...

I'm just wondering what people think of all streets. The flop i cold called because i wanted to float high cards as well as possibly flush cards and i couldn't rep those with a raise. My draw is well hidden. The turn i felt like i had a good enough draw for a raise and i also wanted a free river since i might be winning. His hand also kinda looks like a weak TP or mid pair. I wish he woulda pushed the turn instead of doing this.


POKERSTARS GAME #9472325938: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/04/17 - 16:50:09 (ET)
Table 'Asaph II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: IMSUPERCREAL ($233.15 in chips)
Seat 2: babybu22 ($214.10 in chips)
Seat 3: dNoUnTkSe ($294.15 in chips)
Seat 4: BBJ007 ($188.75 in chips)
Seat 5: harelabben ($18.70 in chips)
Seat 6: w1nk5 ($250.05 in chips)
BBJ007: posts small blind $1
harelabben: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IMSUPERCREAL [7d 8d]
w1nk5: calls $2
IMSUPERCREAL: raises $8 to $10
babybu22: folds
dNoUnTkSe: folds
BBJ007: folds
harelabben: folds
w1nk5: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [6s 5c Tc]
w1nk5: bets $14
IMSUPERCREAL: calls $14
*** TURN *** [6s 5c Tc] [8s]
w1nk5: bets $26
IMSUPERCREAL: raises $59 to $85
w1nk5: calls $59
*** RIVER *** [6s 5c Tc 8s] [Td]
w1nk5: bets $141.05 and is all-in
IMSUPERCREAL: folds
w1nk5 collected $218 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $221 | Rake $3
Board [6s 5c Tc 8s Td]
Seat 1: IMSUPERCREAL folded on the River
Seat 2: babybu22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dNoUnTkSe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BBJ007 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: harelabben (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: w1nk5 collected ($218)
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:11 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 i dont raise turn, this just looks like a set.
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:14 AM #3 (permalink)  
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i agree with max i like a call better on the turn
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:14 AM #4 (permalink)  
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i dont raise turn, this just looks like a set.
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Old 04-18-2007, 05:25 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Do you normally raise flop here? That would seem like the natural place to raise.

Flat calling seems not great since you have a ~non-nut straight draw on 2 flush board vs. an "implied odds" hand (UTG limp-call).
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 I don't raise any flop against a lead out against a reg who i havent decided is prone to donk betting.
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:01 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 I don't think this guy is a reg. This is the first time i've played with him.

I feel like the opponents hand could be a draw. I don't want to fold the best hand on the river if he decides to bluff a missed draw. He could have Top Pair here, which if it's weak, probably will fold to my raise. Draws will call but thats ok since i have a pair.

I am calling a turn push BTW, although i probably shoulda raised more to make that decision easier.
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:45 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I don't raise any flop against a lead out against a reg who i havent decided is prone to donk betting.
So you don't raise flop OR turn, you fold flop? Or call down to the the river?

This hand sucks. Why else would we be raising 87s vs EP limper if not to play our decent draws?
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:54 PM #9 (permalink)  
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This hand sucks. Why else would we be raising 87s vs EP limper if not to play our decent draws?
I've explained why i called the flop in a previous post.

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The flop i cold called because i wanted to float high cards as well as possibly flush cards and i couldn't rep those with a raise. My draw is well hidden.
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:46 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Maybe mass's flop line is good with the flush draw out, but should fold turn.
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 This turn just sucks, and your plan for the hand sucks, your forcing yourself to possibly put in a lot of money in a WB/ Somewhat Ahead situation. It's just retarded. It's nice when a high scare card comes and you raise repping an over card and he pushes a set. Awesome!

His range is very large and it's not like this is a board anyone is going to slowplay on. I just don't understand it. There's no "value" in raising, worse hands will fold and u have some SD value anyway.
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as played smooth call turn and hit a 4 ftw, or maybe a 9 if your feelin frisky
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Old 04-18-2007, 10:13 PM #13 (permalink)  
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just call call fold, dont build the pot so much
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