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Old 01-31-2007, 12:49 AM     Post subject: I never know what to do here..? #1 (permalink)  
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 GAME #479529974: Texas Hold'em NL $1/$2 2007-01-30 19:14:58
Table Khenchela
Seat 1: JL37 ($197.00 in chips)
Seat 3: martev ($342.43 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: Ouchie18 ($457.84 in chips)
Seat 6: WireySpinell ($229.15 in chips)
Seat 8: jackripperr ($278.10 in chips)
Seat 10: Pladon ($153.50 in chips)
Ouchie18: Post SB $1.00
WireySpinell: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JL37 J A
jackripperr: Fold
Pladon: Fold
JL37: Raise $7.00
martev: Call $7.00
Ouchie18: Fold
WireySpinell: Fold
*** FLOP *** T Q 3
JL37: Bet $14.00
martev: Raise $28.00
JL37: Call $14.00
*** TURN *** 3
JL37: Check
martev: Bet $20.00
JL37: ?????
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Old 01-31-2007, 01:03 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 ugh, probably fold, but if he's one of those habitual minreraisers threebet the flop sometimes.
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Old 01-31-2007, 06:09 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Anyone else have any advice for this hand?

I found myself in a similar situation about 3 times tonight...
I have AJ/AQ, flop a gutshot, and get Min-raised by a donkey.
I hate folding here, but I also hate 3betting because that will usually end up with half my stack in the middle.

I guess it's just one of those "it depends" situations right?
...ugh I just hate folding to 1/4 pot bets on the turn.
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 I'd call and bet any A or Q river pretty hard.

Back when I played a more "brutal aggression style" I would typically 3-bet these flops pretty hard. It worked out ok but I don't think it's really necessary.

When you do have a hand, call the flop then c/raise the turn.

Also I'd c-bet significantly less vs donkeys here. Check-calling this flop isn't as bad as it might seem (since this flop hits/gives draws to lots of hands they call with preflop).
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:07 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Flop or turn?
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:35 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Turn. Flop is fine, though I probably dont bet full pot just 3/4ths.
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 yeah, betting full pot is usually a sign of weakness, especially with no draws out there.


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Well, pot is 17 with the blinds. So 3/4ths is 12 instead of 14. Not a huge difference but it can matter on later rounds more than most think.
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Fold the turn. Betting how much you bet on flop is just preference. Just remember to remain somewhat consistent.
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 I always bet $14 into $17, and $12 into $15...I feel $12 into $17 is too weak.
But either way I am very consistent with my cbets, so size isnt important....

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yeah, betting full pot is usually a sign of weakness, especially with no draws out there.
I agree, that is why I bet the full pot when I flop a flush or something
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