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Old 01-31-2008, 04:15 PM     Post subject: i haz a straight, 340bbs deep #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain's stats are a snug 66/35/1.8. He's not totally retarded and for the most part has been respecting me. Not battling with me over small pots etc. However, I haven't really gone beyond on of his c-bets. The only time I recall was I flopped a set on a monotone board in a 3-way pot, raised him, and he folded pretty quick. Here's a hand we played earlier which I think is relevant:

Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #P4-59536383-2077
Table Dehiwala, 31 Jan 2008 6:20 AM ET

Seat 1: philou 31 ($122.55 in chips)
Seat 6: flashbatman ($751.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Galapogos [ K,Q ] ($233.95 in chips)

Antes/Blinds
Galapogos posts blind ($0.50), philou 31 posts blind ($1).

Pre-Flop
flashbatman bets $5, Galapogos calls $4.50, philou 31 folds.

Flop [board cards J,9,Q ]
Galapogos checks, flashbatman bets $7, Galapogos calls $7.

Turn [board cards J,9,Q,K ]
Galapogos checks, flashbatman bets $13, Galapogos calls $13.

River [board cards J,9,Q,K,5 ]
Galapogos checks, flashbatman bets $23, Galapogos calls $23.

SHOWDOWN
flashbatman shows [ T,A ]
Galapogos mucks cards [ K,Q ]
flashbatman wins $95.


This is the first time he has 3-bet me, but I think that's more a result of position than anything else. He has been 3-betting others pretty liberally but not with anything too insane. Any time I've 3-bet him he has folded, not sure if that means anything.


Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #P4-59536383-2101
Table Dehiwala, 31 Jan 2008 6:35 AM ET

Seat 2: Ze17e1 ($96.00 in chips)
Seat 6: flashbatman ($449.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Galapogos [ 6,4 ] ($341.50 in chips)

Antes/Blinds
Ze17e1 posts blind ($0.50), flashbatman posts blind ($1).

Pre-Flop
Galapogos bets $4, Ze17e1 folds, flashbatman bets $15, Galapogos calls $12.

Flop [board cards 5,6,T ]
flashbatman bets $25, Galapogos calls $25.

Turn [board cards 5,6,T,7 ]
flashbatman bets $50, Galapogos calls $50.

River [board cards 5,6,T,7,8 ]
flashbatman bets $200, Galapogos calls $200.



edit: lol, edited because I'm retarded


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Old 01-31-2008, 04:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I should also meantion he got his stack by being on one of those donk heaters, not by being good. Though he's far from retarded. Just a guy that plays way too many hands and has been getting rewarded nicely for it.


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Old 01-31-2008, 05:03 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Yikes

Fact is you're getting good odds to call against his likely range. Only hand ahead of you that makes sense is 99 exactly. Sometimes he shows up with wacky stuff like As 9s, or Js 9s.

Obviously this villain is capable of betting overpairs this way by repping the 9 to make you fold the low straight, sets, and odd two pairs.
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:10 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 i just don't fold here ever. The only thing i'd consider doing differently is raising the flop.
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:30 PM #5 (permalink)  
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i just don't fold here ever. The only thing i'd consider doing differently is raising the flop.
cause so many over pairs and sets are in his range?
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:33 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 i raise the flop all day. as played i think we have to call. he bets ever street like hes not afraid of anything and i think he flips QQ-AA here amost always.
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 If he somehow has a 9, fine, easy snap call on river.

I definetely raise flop though and go crazy.
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:24 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Obvious busted flushdraw. Snap call fistpump.

As9s only hand that beats you but LMAO if that's the case.
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:28 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Obvious busted flushdraw. Snap call fistpump.

As9s only hand that beats you but LMAO if that's the case.
i actually probably cry if thats the case, no laughing.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:00 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Obvious busted flushdraw. Snap call fistpump.

As9s only hand that beats you but LMAO if that's the case.
i actually probably cry if thats the case, no laughing.
Seriously, laughing at bad beats makes poker a lot more fun and helps to control tilt. Besides, even if he has As9s this is a very good call and that's nothing to cry about.
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:56 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 Yeah he had A3ss for the busted FD and for once I was able to thank the poker gods I can never hit a FD. A couple questions though.

Do we call a crai on the river? I seriously doubt he was that crazy, just wondering.

Should I have dumped the last bit of my stack in since it was only about 50bbs and he basically has to call with overs, sets, funky two pairs, etc. I was kinda suprised no one critiqued that because I felt I should have. Or did everyone think he put me all in?

And for the people saying to get crazy on the flop. Normally I do but he made a pretty serious c-bet for a 3-bet pot. I honestly don't know how big he made them normally, I wasn't paying a huge amount of attention to him. A serious crime, I know, but I was watching a movie at the time (American Gangster, quality flick). So I figured play the draw out the more passive route as I really didn't want to get blown off this hand as I was sure he would pay off huge with anything I hit. Thoughts?


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Old 01-31-2008, 10:06 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Why do we not raise the turn when we actually hit?
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 Not enough stacks left to make a big CR but I guess there is no way to fold this hand here. A nine is just such a small part of his range.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:12 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Why do we not raise the turn when we actually hit?
This advice applies more to a hand when we actually hit on the turn.


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And for the people saying to get crazy on the flop. Normally I do but he made a pretty serious c-bet for a 3-bet pot. I honestly don't know how big he made them normally, I wasn't paying a huge amount of attention to him.
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I was sure he would pay off huge with anything I hit. Thoughts?
You weren't paying attention to him and you didn't know anything about his c-bet sizes but you were still "sure" that his c-bet meant he had a big hand that would pay you off huge?

Edit: I obviously think your play was good but raising the flop is closer than you're saying IMO.
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Doh, missed that, thought we did.
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Think on the flop we are so much ahead of his range we can easily reraise here. Only a set has us at ~30%.

But a call on the flop will look much more like a set imo. So if we do call the flop we have to push the turn. Against an overpair we are still about even money and FE makes this a huge +EV play.

But as played river is easy call.
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And for the people saying to get crazy on the flop. Normally I do but he made a pretty serious c-bet for a 3-bet pot. I honestly don't know how big he made them normally, I wasn't paying a huge amount of attention to him.
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You weren't paying attention to him and you didn't know anything about his c-bet sizes but you were still "sure" that his c-bet meant he had a big hand that would pay you off huge?
Not exactly. I was just sure he would pay me off because although he wasn't horrible, he was still bad enough to pay me off pretty nicely even if I hit the obvious flush. So not like it was a solid read either way. I guess what it really came down to was I had a decent stack and was up against a hot donk. Big stack, small penis.


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You have to do something besides c/c on the turn. With how you described his relationship with you, it's not reasonable to expect your passive line to induce that much spew yet, and your developing hand, which is often ahead, really isn't that strong yet.

Consider ISF theorem. The strongest hands including the nuts are more plausibly in your range, not the villains. He'll have a tough time bullying the turn if you commandeer it. Furthermore, if you assert the turn and he goes passive on you, it's easy to push a lot of rivers he can't call when you miss.
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You have to do something besides c/c on the turn. With how you described his relationship with you, it's not reasonable to expect your passive line to induce that much spew yet, and your developing hand, which is often ahead, really isn't that strong yet.

Consider ISF theorem. The strongest hands including the nuts are more plausibly in your range, not the villains. He'll have a tough time bullying the turn if you commandeer it. Furthermore, if you assert the turn and he goes passive on you, it's easy to push a lot of rivers he can't call when you miss.
What kind of rivers would you bluff shove? Pretty much everyone that hits me are the only scare cards I would think of trying to rep as a bluff.


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