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meeloche
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01-28-2008, 08:00 PM
Post subject: I hate nits
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Villain was running like 16/8 over small sample. With an aggression factor of .3!!!
I would 3 bet but he raised utg so i thought call ip was better. I guess the flop raise is pretty bad.
Thoughts?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP ($104.80)
Hero ($194.10)
Button ($20.75)
SB ($129.65)
BB ($40.55)
UTG ($108.50)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q , A.
1 fold, MP raises to $3.5, Hero calls $3.50, 3 folds.
Flop: ($8.50) Q , 2, 9 (2 players)
MP bets $6, Hero raises to $19, MP calls $13.
Turn: ($46.50) 7 (2 players)
MP bets $29, Hero easy fold?
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will641
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yeah i might not even raise the flop. his range to me seems JJ+ and AQ+, and we can probably throw out JJ because he might not even c bet that flop and certainly wont call a raise and even more certainly wont lead turn. for that matter we can throw out AK. this seems to be a pretty clear fold to me.
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Ash256
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I personally call flop with the intention of folding turn and maybe bluffing hearts.
As played muck 'em so fast your head spins.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Don't raise the flop if you don't want to get all in
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nutsinho
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"over small sample"
i would just call flop but planning to fold to a lot of 2nd barrels seems beyond weak
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Pelion
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i would fold preflop and just call flop.
I also prefer 3 betting preflop to calling but we treat our A as more of a blocker when we 3bet than a true value card.
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bode
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pelion
i would fold preflop...
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wtf r u serious?
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will641
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bode
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Originally Posted by Pelion
i would fold preflop...
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wtf r u serious? |
yeah he doesnt only raise QQ+ AK
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I think his most likely holding here is AQ tbh, though 99, KK and AA are all in there. I'd call and evaluate the turn; we have position and can raise/push if the turn is a heart or a diamond, as well as a decent amount of equity in any event.
As played, gosh, I don't know. It's hard to see what we beat - KQ doesn't play so fast, and there's no way JJ calls the flop then value leads the turn. I guess it's a fold.
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I don't think AQ is his most likely holding at all since he's a nit and he called out raise and lead out the turn. I put him on QQ+ here. Most nits would check the turn to you.
Read on the villain is key here and 16/8/0.3 can change a lot if this is really a small sample.
With this read, I probably play the hand like a nit myself, calling flop, turn and I would allow him to bluff me off if he 3 barrels KQ or AQ here.
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Ash256
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"over small sample"
i would just call flop but planning to fold to a lot of 2nd barrels seems beyond weak
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But I don't think he's gonna bet anything worse than a chop.. (though if he bets less than 3/5 it's time to evaluate)
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Don't raise the flop if you don't want to get all in
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Genitruc
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when you raise the flop
what r u protecting against
what r u getting value out of
sry i m too tired and tilted to use question marks
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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meeloche
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
when you raise the flop
what r u protecting against
what r u getting value out of
sry i m too tired and tilted to use question marks
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Makes sense, I should really stop turning hands into bluffs in these spots. Especially when nobody is willing to make a hero fold and why would they.
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nutsinho
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im not saying im a nit but when you just call this flop im leading 98 or better plus any draw on the turn. Im assuming even a nit is capable of realizing his TT/JJ/KQs type hands are worth a second barrel here.
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Genitruc
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folding the best hand : 47 Sklansky$
building the pot with a hand behind villain's calling range : 53 Sklansky$
underrepping our hand when we're not afraid of many drawing hands being in villain's range, all while inviting him to valuetown himself with a 2nd best hand... and never folding the best hand : priceless
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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