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Alexos
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03-24-2007, 10:46 PM
Post subject: I got a flush, why are YOU raising?
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4-of-a-Kind
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MP is biggest ever fish, so I'm basically playing every hand to stack him...Villain (UTG) is a good LAG, and he obviously sees the flush just completed. Can we justify a call/shove by hoping he has 56d, 79d, or to a certain extent AA? Or do we fold b/c he has teh nutz?
Similar to Halv's post below but I think my villains line is WAY stronger.
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$2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
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UTG: $536
MP: $2192.15
CO: $680.40
BTN: $294
SB: $424.2
Hero (BB): $830
Preflop: 8d Td ($6, 6 players)
UTG raises to $14, MP calls $14, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $10
Flop: Ad 6h Jd ($44, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $24, MP calls $24, Hero calls $24
Turn: Ad 6h Jd [3d] ($116, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $52, MP folds, Hero raises to $164, UTG raises to $276, Hero ???
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Ravageur
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basically only one hand beats you that's in his range (KdQd). I think for less than 150 BBs folding the second nuts would be pretty insane when it's possible he's doing this with a set (though his line would make me think i'm beat when I shove, just close your eyes and do it).
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Family Cruise IMO
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by Ravageur
just close your eyes and do it
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lol, so right
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Genitruc
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He can only have 1 hand here, as mentioned above.
Just stack off and go get a beer.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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IowaSkinsFan
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ur fucked, but ur too far in.
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sauce123
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no way u can fold this to an utg raiser when the Ad flopped- get it in as a big favorite. This is pretty simple imo
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Toadstool
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really? I think this is a fold. Villain is a good player - by your actions he must know you have a flush - so why is he raising you? he doesnt think your going to fold. A good villain would almost never raise with something thats not beating you here. Also, bet timing could also give a few clues.
TBH i think shoving is -EV here
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IowaSkinsFan
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You have to be losing here like 75% of the time and im not going to give those odds.
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zenbitz
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You have to be willing to stack off here if you call the frop.
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bigspenda73
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Are we hoping for what? AA or AxKd? If you think he is solid then you overcalling the flop has the make him believe you were on a flush draw. What sucks is the times you're ahead you're about a 3:1 to 4:1 favorite and when you're behind you're obv dead.
The only thing I can think of is that he has recognized MP's fishy ways as well and is opening up with a larger range to try and play more pots against him.
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Alexos
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Are we hoping for what? AA or AxKd? If you think he is solid then you overcalling the flop has the make him believe you were on a flush draw.
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He might have thought I was on a flush draw on the flop, but he definitly knew that I had a flush on the turn. I reallly believe he would only do this with 79d, Q9d, K9d, or KQd. I dont think he's dumb enough to do this with a set or AKd. His line is so obvious, the only argument I have for calling is that he might have a lower flush, since he's laggy....If I was playing a tighter opponent (and not too aggressive) who'se play I respect, I think calling here is definitly -ev.
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sauce123
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i dont fold flushes to lags
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Halv
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Originally Posted by sauce123
i dont fold flushes to anyone
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FYP, unless the board is paired obv. I can only remember wanting to fold a flush once and being correct about it. Can't even begin to count how many times I've puked and called, only to have the guy show me some crazee hand,
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Miffed22001
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why are we thinking of folding the second nuts in a raised pot with little money behind?
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