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Ravageur
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08-24-2010, 04:22 PM
Post subject: I fold KK -standard?
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Just sat down, this is my 2nd orbit so no viable stats. Button seems like he could be the fish at the table, he's sitting with less than a buyin at a 200BB table. The rest seem to be regs of some sort though I don't recognize them. I guess this kind of decision is probably neutral ev in the long run, but I hadn't folded KK preflop in a while so wanted to make sure this was the time to do it.
No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($850.40)
MP ($1486.07)
Button ($330.73)
SB ($3461.62)
Hero (BB) ($785.20)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , K
UTG bets $14, MP calls $14, Button raises $36, 1 fold, Hero raises $108.50, UTG raises $187, 1 fold, Button raises $294.73 (All-In), Hero FOLDS????
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Mr. Diamond
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UTG 5bet is lol
- I think folding isn't bad with these stacks and after that action
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Alexos
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fold looks good
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griffey24
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Yah I would snap fold probably... small 5bet and another shove.. yikes.
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pocketfours
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Snapmuck. Much more interesting is that if you tanked before folding then UTG should also fold KK even though he is getting insane odds.
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sauce123
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ok, fold it GOD IT HURTS
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Ravageur
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yeah...that's consensus. I folded and UTG had KK and Button obv had AA. At least I didn't fk this one up.
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meeloche
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce123
ok, fold it GOD IT HURTS
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this sums up my thoughts pretty well.
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Mr. Diamond
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I have a question:
- everything is same (stacks, action, no reads), but now we are UTG - how would you play QQ, KK, AA and AK after BB cold 4bet??
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Ravageur
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probably the same (snap muck everything but AA and groan and fold KK). It's just so unlikely button is squeezing anything but JJ+ and people don't expect other people to make big folds....which is why you should make big folds sometimes.
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Alexos
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def not folding KK if I was UTG, Hero is isolating pretty wide here (like TT+, AQ+) at least since button is a donk (unless donk is like 80/0)
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