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01-08-2009, 05:57 PM
Post subject: I dont want to call, but I dont see how I'm behind
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Join Date: May 2008
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-Shorty MP is your average run of the mill donk, I just wanted to iso and get it in pre or on the flop
-BB is meeehhh, ok...at best, but competent...i think. fwiw he is 32/20 with a 3bet% of 13 over 200 hands. He hasnt really shown any slowplay tendencies pre.
I smooth called the 3-bet to get value from BB's 1010/JJ/and other hands that happen to pair on the flop. Then planned to c/r any non A/K flop.
Q1: Is my line of thinking correct preflop, since BB will probably only call my shove with KK+, maaaybe AK
Q2:Even with the horrible odds, is this a call?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($51.20)
Hero (SB) ($60.55)
BB ($94.90)
UTG ($26.10)
MP ($8.15)
CO ($51.95)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , Q
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2, MP raises to $7.50, Hero calls $5, BB raises to $94.90 (All-In), MP calls $0.65 (All-In)...HERO?
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griffey24
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Hmmm really weird action. I probably would have just raised once the MP limp/raised to isolate. Now I think that BB is trying to isolate with just the shorty all-in pre and could be doing this with a lot of pairs and stuff even.
alllll-innnn for me.
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kmind
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Yeah I think BB's range is a bunch of worse shit than yours. I do not think he's trying to trap here. I think he is isolating the fish and hoping to make you fold so his mid pair/AQ has decent equity vs. the fish.
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Join Date: May 2008
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Originally Posted by griffey24
I probably would have just raised once the MP limp/raised to isolate.
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Without thinking about the fact he shoved....
While we're deciding our action the 2nd time around, dont we want BB in this hand? Since we can win a significantly bigger pot with him in. The last thing I wanted to do was fold out his 77-JJ, A10+. And he'll probably fold the 89/J10/implied odds part of his range to MP's raise anyways.
Flat calling MP's raise cant be that bad can it?
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BigLRIP
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I agree with others and would call. Your showing quite a lot of strength by raising in the SB after the shorty limps, so I think villain would likely 3-bet his premium hands.
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griffey24
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Flatting the limpers shove isn't bad either. It depends on vilalin. If he's spazzy and will jam after you flat, then flatting is clearly the best.
He might view your shove as trying to isolate though, and might call your shove light anyhow, but again this depends on reads. There are also lots of bad cards for QQ, and I'd be more comfortable flatting KK or AA here.
I don't think you can go wrong either way though, as long as you get it in here one way or another. I'm not folding as played, especially since he can be spazzy shoving to re-iso on limper.
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DA9ers
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Two Pair
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ship it
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v diddy
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kansas City
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Not that I know much, but looks like the push is definitely trying to get rid of you.
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
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You're ahead of the BB way too often to fold here.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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