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finky
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05-22-2006, 08:45 AM
Post subject: I don't buy it
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Flush
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Villian seems like a solid aggressive TAG, my image is a bit LAGGish, he has seen me raise suited junk etc. over limpers.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($180)
UTG ($198.50)
MP ($257)
Hero ($288.15)
SB ($542.26)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , Q . MP posts a blind of $3. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, Hero raises to $9, SB (poster) calls $8, 1 fold, MP calls $7.
Flop: ($30) K , 2, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $20, SB folds, MP calls $20.
Turn: ($70) 6 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $35, MP raises to $70, Hero calls $35.
River: ($210) 9 (2 players)
MP calls $157 (All-In), Hero calls $157.
Final Pot: $524
Calling dumb? Easy?
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jackvance
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Hm, if they want to put you to the test, they generally do it preflop or on the flop. This looks more like a real hand to me. Ofcourse it was your read..
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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dalecooper
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Yeah, I don't know about that. He set up a perfect "I am slowplaying you" line. If it's a bluff or a weaker king, he really took pains to make it look like something stronger than that. I've bluffed people like that before but only after I knew they would be aware enough to fall for it.
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aislephive
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You say he is a solid aggressive TAG, well then this is an easy turn fold.
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Silly String
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Full House
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That turn min-raise smells, especially with two spades on the board.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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LimpinAintEZ
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Flush
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u didn't put all your money in the middle with only 1 pr did you? I would be more stubborn against loose players (like you - kidding!  - What do tight players do all the time - or what are they thinking, rather - "I'm going to get that LAGG with a real hand soon" - this looks like it to me - When you play LAGG, you have to still give up on 1 pair hands...We Lagg's can win plenty of pots stealing and pushing weak hands, but we shouldn't call all ins with 1 pair -
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johnny_fish
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Villain's bluff frequency is way off if this calls are +EV.
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bdawg56kg
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I really don't like this. I think you are beat most of the time. Of course it depends a lot on the flow of the table and your feelings at the time, but I think villian is just about never bluffing here with a worse hand.
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gabe
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by aislephive
You say he is a solid aggressive TAG, well then this is an easy turn fold.
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its not an easy turn fold because the flop had two hearts and the villian did nothing to protect his hand then
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aislephive
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by aislephive
You say he is a solid aggressive TAG, well then this is an easy turn fold.
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its not an easy turn fold because the flop had two hearts and the villian did nothing to protect his hand then |
Villain's line looks more like a set than a flush draw. Many people will slowplay hands on two flush boards (stupid as it is) that they shouldn't. Unless hero had seriously gotten out of line and may have induced a monster bluff from a solid tag I would assume we are behind here almost always.
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gabe
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by aislephive
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by aislephive
You say he is a solid aggressive TAG, well then this is an easy turn fold.
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its not an easy turn fold because the flop had two hearts and the villian did nothing to protect his hand then |
Villain's line looks more like a set than a flush draw. Many people will slowplay hands on two flush boards (stupid as it is) that they shouldn't. |
i wasn't saying villian had a flush draw, and i'm not saying its an easy call, but i think sets don't come up here much.
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finky
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Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by aislephive
You say he is a solid aggressive TAG, well then this is an easy turn fold.
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its not an easy turn fold because the flop had two hearts and the villian did nothing to protect his hand then |
Gabe play goot.
Villian had the  draw.
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johnny_fish
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Interesting line. Works good if opp can fold TP I guess.
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