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Benoso

03-01-2007, 05:12 PM Post subject: I call down his two barrels then fire one of my own.

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Villain's 50/30 over a tiny sample. He's been pushing people off hands and that's how he accumulated his stack.

** Game ID 698771615 starting - 2007-03-01 17:06:16
** Bomb House Lane [Hold 'em] (0.15|0.30 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- vargen38 sitting in seat 1 with $29.40
- soctyboy sitting in seat 2 with $14.13
- Zaptista sitting in seat 3 with $45.02 [Dealer]
- avantgarde sitting in seat 4 with $12.14
- rikl sitting in seat 5 with $85.14
- enforcer83 sitting in seat 6 with $45.02

avantgarde posted the small blind - $0.15
rikl posted the big blind - $0.30
** Dealing card to Zaptista:

enforcer83 raised - $1.20
vargen38 folded
soctyboy folded
Zaptista called - $1.20
avantgarde folded
rikl folded

** Dealing the flop:

enforcer83 bet - $2.85
Zaptista called - $2.85

** Dealing the turn:

enforcer83 bet - $5.00
Zaptista called - $5.00

** Dealing the river:

enforcer83 checked
Zaptista bet - $15.00

What do we think?

Here's how I saw it, guy obviously likes to throw chips about so in position with A5s I take a flop. I only do this since we're comfortably over >100BB each so there's heavy implied odds, especially due to his stats.
I hit a nice flop and call because, again, we're both deep and he seems willing to bet and it's not too expensive. I planned to fold to a non-heart barrel on the turn but I pick up some extra outs so I call here too needing to hit badly.
River bricks and he checks, at this point I thought he could have AK, it's a common whiffed AK line imo. But then I thought maybe AK bets stronger on the turn so I thought he might have a piece, Qx perhaps, or maybe like me, a missed draw. I feel he's capable of laying down Qx so I fire just under a PSB.

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c-luvin

03-01-2007, 06:46 PM

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riase flop. if you dont raise flop raise turn. as played almost pot bet might push a lag w/o any hand off but looks like a missed draw.

the point of taking a flop with a5s in position against a lag with high implied odds is to hit a hand like the nut flush draw on the flop. to take advatage of the high implied odds though you need to raise the flop to inflate the pot if you hit/push him off a hand.

Renton

03-01-2007, 06:52 PM

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not knocking your play in any way, just know that good players checking this river are often calling any bet (or raising).

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03-01-2007, 06:56 PM

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I think the river will often get called by Qx

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03-01-2007, 06:59 PM

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03-01-2007, 07:02 PM

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Benoso

03-01-2007, 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by c-luvin

Doesn't this unnecessarily bloat the pot when we don't have a hand and mean that we're gonna be losing a lot of money when we miss. I think if Villain is bad enough you can draw while it's cheap, hit and then get paid off.

I'm not a fan of getting into a raising war on the flop with a FD. What do others thinks about this?

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c-luvin

03-01-2007, 07:47 PM

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i agree with you in some situations that calling is better but being a very laggy player who raising alot of hands and cont betting alot of flops which it seems htis guy is doing he is gunna fold to alot of flop raises. we can still control the size of the pot in position, i say this because i dont think hes 3 betting here very much/leading out turn so you can check behind turn for the price of a flop call and turn call but with extra FE of him laying down his cont bet on flop.

Rondavu

03-01-2007, 08:49 PM

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The range this line is obviously meant for is a villain with 66-99 Tx, JJ. Given your read on the player, I don't think the river bet is unreasonable if you don't think he plays Qx+ this way, and will fold less. There are a lot of hands ahead of you which are also giving you fold equity.

The answer is yes, against a very specific read. You just have to know that good players will check Qx+ on this river a lot with the intention of pot control and a look up, snap off scenerio when you bet.

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Benoso

03-01-2007, 09:51 PM

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^Some interesting points, cheers.

Well he instacalled and showed Q2o so I guess I got owned or whatever, I guess I gave him too much credit due to his stack. Let him play Q2o again in a raised pot OOP versus me I say.

Anyway, added him to my buddy list and I'll be following him from now on. >:]

benny999

03-01-2007, 11:10 PM

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i dont like the river bluff because it looks like what it is - a busted draw, and if he puts you on a draw then a call even from worse then Qx wouldn't surprise me.

i prefer raising either the flop or turn, not just to inflate the pot, but to represent a hand. playing good draws and good hands similar makes you hard to read.
and since he's raising and cbetting such a large range of hands, then most of the time he has the same or worse hand, or something that won't look so good like JJ, and so he'll just fold.
if he calls, then you're in position and can make a bigger value bet if you hit your hand.

of course if villain had like 50/1 stats or something, then raising the flop would definitely be bad.

griffey24

03-01-2007, 11:50 PM

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I haven't read any of the previous posts yet, so this may be redundant.

But, I'm notsure if a bet is good here. I know if I was villain, I would probably check to you here and put you on a missed draw. So I'd definitely check call with a wide range of hands here. Check calling good hands here as well, in case you rivered a straight, for pot control.

I would probably raise this flop. This is exactly the flop you want, if you're playing this hand, other than two pair or trips or something. I'd raise this flop, and sometimes bet the turn and sometimes check through.

Lukie

03-02-2007, 12:11 AM

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I actually think he played the hand much better then you.

Miffed22001

03-02-2007, 12:19 AM

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would you play AQ this way?

if not then you know what you did wrong. if yes then we need to raise the fishies more on the big streets

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03-02-2007, 12:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benoso

I actually think he played the hand much better then you.

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