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Old 01-23-2007, 06:58 PM     Post subject: I attempt to make my call preflop +EV aka I spew #1 (permalink)  
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 Opp is 25/20, relatively straightforward, will c-bet with air, and chekc the turn when he misses. I don't expect him to be tricky. Good for metagame also?

PokerStars Game #8085355867: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/23 - 14:49:04 (ET)
Table 'Misam' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: mrbjornsen ($107.40 in chips)
Seat 2: redgrape ($102.10 in chips)
Seat 3: CFISHNBROOK ($36.55 in chips)
Seat 4: FGators26 ($105.60 in chips)
Seat 5: ickle13 ($39.60 in chips)
Seat 6: potoddsLOL ($286.45 in chips)
potoddsLOL: posts small blind $0.50
mrbjornsen: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9d 9c]
redgrape: raises $3 to $4
CFISHNBROOK: folds
FGators26: raises $11 to $15
ickle13: folds
potoddsLOL: folds
mrbjornsen: folds
redgrape: calls $11
*** FLOP *** [Ks Kc 3c]
redgrape: checks
FGators26: bets $20
redgrape: calls $20
*** TURN *** [Ks Kc 3c] [Js]
redgrape: checks
FGators26: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ks Kc 3c Js] [8h]
redgrape: bets $67.10 and is all-in
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Old 01-23-2007, 07:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I think you are only called when you are beat here.
What are we pushing him off of: QQ, TT, AJ.
I think he still calls with AA and possibly QQ here.
If you think he has bupkis here, let him bluff at it.
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Old 01-23-2007, 07:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I realize I am trying to push off TT QQ and AJ, AA I doubt folds but he could convince himself too.
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Old 01-23-2007, 07:36 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 I really think he's gonna look you up with anything that beats you because it looks fishy.. no way you'd be playing a K/set this way right?
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I know my response seems elementary, but I think we are getting called here more than they lay down.
I guess it depends on how big you think his 3bet range is.

Probably a break even play. He lays down EV=$70, he calls EV= -$67
AA & JJ he wins. QQ & TT you win.
I am throwing out AK-AJ, KK because they are unlikely the way the hand was played an from a standard 3betting line.

With the possibility of a poorly played AK I think I C/F river.
I don't like the play, but it isn't terrible IMO.
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What hand is he folding here and what are you representing? Given stacks and pot size you arent going for a turn c/r AI and miss when he checks behind, maybe you were letting him hang himself, but I dunno if its all that believable. If you want to bluff here I would probably just push turn and rep the K. I dont think I would do that very often though. Anyways, I really dont think you hahve a hand you should be bluffing with as you could easily be good against a lower PP or some other random sort of hand. If he folds, you almost always had him beat, if he calls, well, you are almost never ahead. If I think he is bluffing the river a big percentage of the time I _may_ c/c, but against a person like this he will probably just check behind the river. So basically, your flop call is standard and shouldnt be used to set up a bluff. On the river just look to get to showdown, I think I almost always c/f here unless I have the read described above.
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 i play AK this way.
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i play AK this way.
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 idk, im waiting for more responses. I think this was probably a spew but I feel like if I showed this the other way around with QQ, JJ, or AJ people would be yelling at me to fold.
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 he'll probably look you up because of his perception of you.
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Old 01-23-2007, 09:10 PM #11 (permalink)  
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i play AK this way.
nobody can mangle AK this badly.
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Old 01-23-2007, 10:52 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 Fgators is definitely a thinking player who can make a laydown. It might be teh sex against him if there were no flush draw on the flop, but its presence I feel is enough to sway him into a call against your goofy line.
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Old 01-24-2007, 01:16 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 if you think it'll get him to fold a jack, 1010 and maybe QQ then it's good. Not sure on what level this deals with "meta-game"... as in, you don't only shove the nuts on the river?...

Your hand is pretty strong and can obv catch some bluffs.

I prefer shoving though since he gets to check behind so many hands that are frightened to call a shove but beat you at showdown. NH.

edit : when the pot is big in terms of BB's and your hand is reasonably strong I think it's worth taking a shot at taking it down, especially since, as I mentioned above, there are so many medium-strong hands that will love you if you let him showdown here.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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