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IowaSkinsFan
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01-09-2007, 07:58 PM
Post subject: I am really pissed at myself... a confession
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
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I realized something today I should've realized a long time ago. I have serious mental problems in my game that are losing me tons of money. I have admitted this to myself before, but it's not working. I can't seem to fix my game mentally, So I am hoping maybe writing it down and telling it to everyone will help.
I spew probably 4-5ptBB/100 on pure bluffs:
This is getting ridiculous. I try to tell myself everyday to stop, but it's not working. I am a fucking idiot. I smell weakness and bluff OOP, even though it's obvious he'll call with tpwk or mpgk anyway. I'll second barrel the bluffs when he calls the strong raise on the flop. I CAN'T DO THIS SHIT ANYMORE, NO MORE OF IT EVER. Unless It is completely obvious thing to do.
I am playing for money, not to play my best.
This ones related to tilt. I'll make calls oop with hands like sc's sometimes even though I know it's -EV. I go on fucking tilt sometimes. I make calls I know are bad because I want to make back money. IT IS SO DUMB THIS HAS TO STOP.
I don't spend enough time on making decisions
I will make the wrong decision because I hurry it. I will play my cards and not the other players. I WANT TO CRY, WTF IS WRONG WITH ME!!!
All these really have to stop, any advice is welcome. I am going to post all my spews.
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andy-akb
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Wow man, this sounds exactly like what I went through recently. I knew I was doing ti but it was hard to break the habit but I knew I had to. Ive cut down to 4 tables and really worked on focusing on my game a lot and not getting as distracted. While I still have some tilt problems, overall Ive seen a lot of improvement from this and have definitely not been just spewing money all over the place and my winrate has shown this.
Basically, be hard on yourself about this and force yourself to change. Tell yourself that you want to go somewhere with poker and you wont be able to unless you start making these changes. IT isnt as easy as it sounds as a lot of it is from habit, but it is something that most players have to face, and the sooner they do, they better off they are.
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zook
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Good post Iowa. I have all of the same problems, and they disgust me too. Somehow I've gotten control over my bluffing, but I'm not sure I can pinpoint exactly how. One thing that helps is I always try to think about what hands I'm trying to fold with my bluff and what hand I'm representing. If I'm trying to fold TPGK on a dry board and villain isn't a nit or solid tagg, *alert**alert* don't bluff! If I'm thinking about bluff-leading the river after c/c'ing twice on a drawy board, what the hell am trying to rep? Still, if you don't take enough time to make decisions (and I definitely don't sometimes) it doesn't even matter. I play at FT and I'm trying to make myself wait until the colored bar starts moving down before I bet/call/raise for more than 10BB. It isn't working perfectly yet, but I've slowed down some decisions for sure. As for leak #2, I used to keep the cashier page open so I could keep track of my win/loss margin for the session and this is just a terrible idea. If I felt like I was playing well but hadn't won much money, I'd press and push more perceived edges. If I was down I'd be focused on winning it back. Now I leave the cashier page closed and try not to think about how I'm doing $-wise.
Finding your leaks is the first step towards fixing them... good luck!
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griffey24
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Iowa,
I definitely feel your pain! Everyday I keep track of my daily progress in an excel spreadsheet (started this in my pre-PT days. and just kept it up). and each day I write a comment of how I played.. or what happened that day.. anything I learned...
These are some of my comments from different days:
"PLAY PROPERLY.. Stop playing stupid bluffing poker."
"I start forcing the issue when im' not hitting hands. Threw away $150ish on bluffing aggressiveness"
"playing like an idiot. TIGHTEN UP.. Stop calling raises with mediocre hands, tryin to hit big"
"Steal pots nobody wants.. Don't bluff out aggressor.. ppl don't fold, so let them give you their money when you have it."
Those are just some of the comments I have written myself. My general message to myself was, to bluff on hands where nobody is showing interest, and not trying to steal pots away from players that are showing lots of strength.
Also I found that multi-tabling quite a bit helped me reduce my bluffing. I feel I was getting bored playing only a few tables, so if you play as many tables as you can handle, you concentrate more on playing all tables properly, instead of "making plays".. ie bluffing, in pots.
I'm not sure if this helps but hopefully it does!
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swiggidy
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Can I add one of mine?
kthx
Don't post in every single fucking thread on FTR and actually play poker
Pretty self-explanatory
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by swiggidy
Can I add one of mine?
kthx
Don't post in every single fucking thread on FTR and actually play poker
Pretty self-explanatory
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lol
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Fnord
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IowaSkinsFan,
It's hard to get a handle on the damage caused by excessive bluffing and easy to ignore all of the small pots and big calls your aggression gains.
The key is being more selective about aggression and being comfortable dealing with a blown read or unlikely holding.
There are spots where I bluff, expect to get callled and am ok with that.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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I realize there are good bluffs that get called, i realize there are good spots to bluff, the problem is 95% of the time im not making one.
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DubRod
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Straight
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One thing I have done that helped me alot is focus on the table at hand and try to play my A game; not thinking of short term gains, bb/100, or letting ego affect my play. My priority is my play, as the money will follow.Instead I focus on my opponents and identify the weak, the calling station, and the clueless lags. Then I just play my own positional game keeping these factors in mind and act accordingly.
For this I have cut down and only play 2 to 4 tables at a time.
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Jager
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Full House
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Patience.
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"It is impossible for you to learn what you think you already know."
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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After a 3 hour session today I am glad to report I only made a spew bluff once, and it only cost me $4. This is a huge step for me, especially on those long sessions that take a lot of mental endurance I never broke down. I was even down for the first two hours from bad shit, Came back and was up 4 buyins!
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griffey24
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Good job man, good to hear it!
Keep it up =)
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Genitruc
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sitting out for an orbit or two after every brain fart can be helpful.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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jyms
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01-10-2007, 04:39 PM
Post subject: Re: I am really pissed at myself... a confession
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Tilting Mod
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
I CAN'T DO THIS SHIT ANYMORE, NO MORE OF IT EVER. Unless It is completely obvious thing to do.
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Your still giving yourself permission. You may want to go the other way for a while, and not bluff at all. Until you get the feel of your game without the bluffs. Semi bluffs are ok still, if yu can justify that if you hit the card you'll actually be ahead. But maybe just drop the out and out bluffing until your sure you know when and what your representing.
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biondino
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I played a 5,000 hand session once with no bluffs at all. 28BB/100. Then I went back to my usual play. Meh.
Seriously, I can't imagine there are any players on FTR who don't feel at least a degree of empathy with each of your points. Nh in recognising your leaks - or potential leaks - and dealing with them.
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biondino
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4-of-a-Kind
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Btw - do you mean you spew a net 4-5BB/100 hands bluffing, or that pure bluffs only account for 4-5BB/100? I assume the former but maybe I shouldn't?
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Eck979
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Your first too reasons are the way I donked off my entire bankroll in one night.. It's been months since I played online poker and I just started again w/ a meager BR of 20 bucks.. I had a free 10 bucks on Bodog and worked it up to 900 in about 6 weeks.. then I went crazy. Doing the same shit you speak of.. . Makes me sick. And I even kept reminding myself of these things every day until that one fateful night.. and FWIW alcohol was involved.. now I'm starting over and it sucks fat dick.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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48 hours since my commitment= +14 buyins...
Yay for variance and yeah for only one spew!
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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48 hours since my commitment= +14 buyins...
Yay for variance and yeah for only one spew!
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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good going
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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