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Old 03-28-2007, 06:43 PM     Post subject: I 4-bet AKs and ehhh.... #1 (permalink)  
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 Blizzy is an aggressive TAGG regular

PokerStars Game #9132760698: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/03/28 - 14:35:30 (ET)
Table 'Thuban III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: VonKelmi ($56.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Blizzy23 ($174.45 in chips)
Seat 3: crashie ($40.15 in chips)
Seat 4: DOttavio ($38.35 in chips)
Seat 5: redgrape ($100 in chips)
Seat 6: SERPENTILE ($153.90 in chips)
DOttavio: posts small blind $0.50
redgrape: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Ks As]
SERPENTILE: raises $3 to $4
VonKelmi: folds
Blizzy23: raises $9 to $13
crashie: folds
DOttavio: folds
redgrape: raises $26 to $39
SERPENTILE: folds
Blizzy23: calls $26
*** FLOP *** [3d 9h 5h]
redgrape: pushes even though he's getting called most of the time?
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Old 03-28-2007, 06:49 PM #2 (permalink)  
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your 4 bet is pretty big. i make it 30 and still push the flop
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Old 03-28-2007, 07:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
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more i think about it, his range is probably more defined since you raised so big and he just called. has he seen you make 4 bets with air before?
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your 4 bet is pretty big. i make it 30 and still push the flop
If you make it 30, doesnt that mean your flop push will be $70 into a $60 pot? Doesn't that seem like an AK overbet?

Or when you say "push", do you mean "bet $45-50, but you are essentially committed anyhow and villain knows this"
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your 4 bet is pretty big. i make it 30 and still push the flop
If you make it 30, doesnt that mean your flop push will be $70 into a $60 pot? Doesn't that seem like an AK overbet?
i would do the same with aa kk though
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Old 03-28-2007, 07:27 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 yeah, if you decide to Cbet into this board of 50 then you might as well push, doing this with all hands as well.


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Old 03-28-2007, 08:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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your 4 bet is pretty big. i make it 30 and still push the flop
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 I think he has KK like 90% of the time.
That being said, Blizzy is one of the better regs at 100nl, I don't even like the fourbet. He raised you from an UTG raise, most regs threebet range is considerably smaller.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:37 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 How do you calculate your 4-bet size on the spot?
I always have trouble with this.

If i raise to $8 and villain 3bets to $22-26 then I should 4-bet to what? (assuming 100BB stacks)

...about $60? so roughly 2.5x his raise?

Also, if a standard tagg is calling this raise with JJ-QQ then isn't it safe to assume he will stack off on any non-AK flop?? Therefore, pushing AK in this situation will be called everytime villain has a PP?
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Old 03-29-2007, 08:30 AM #11 (permalink)  
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with ~100bb i think a standard size is around 1/3 of stacks for a 4bet.

but ya, i dont get pushing the flop since villain is so likely to call, other than doing it just so someone might call later when u have AA or something.
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