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Muxy
Old 07-03-2005, 06:03 AM     Post subject: Humph.... #1 (permalink)  
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Dealer: Hand #145823556
Dealer: moresex posts the small blind of $0.50
Dealer: Muxy posts the big blind of $1
Dealer: You have been dealt [Kh Ks]
Dealer: Teddy KGB_AA folds
Dealer: razindaz21 folds
Dealer: MrLips folds
Dealer: dmoongirl raises to $3
Dealer: moresex calls $2.50
Dealer: Muxy raises to $8
Dealer: dmoongirl has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: dmoongirl raises to $84.80, and is all in
Dealer: moresex folds
Dealer: Muxy........

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Old 07-03-2005, 06:24 AM #2 (permalink)  
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reads?

I can see lesser hands than AA making this play shorthanded...

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Old 07-03-2005, 08:28 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Call. If its AA, hope for a K. Otherwise, you are the dominant hand. Any read at all? Its hard to read AA, as a tight/conservative player may make QQ as valuable as AA (in which you are you busy counting their chips to make sure they gave you the right amount)
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Old 07-03-2005, 08:48 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I'd call. Then again, I'm not one of those players who ever lets KK go. QQ and less, maybe, but not KK. Pay off AA if it happens, own AK and below.
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Old 07-03-2005, 11:55 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Call every time. KK is a hand that you never fold preflop, if you run into AA you're just unlucky.
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Old 07-03-2005, 01:12 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Easiest call of your life.

Most of the time when I think an op has AA he has AK or QQ.

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Old 07-03-2005, 02:17 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Muxy has 15 seconds left to act
Muxy calls $76.80
dmoongirl shows [Ah Ac]
Muxy shows [Kh Ks]
*** FLOP *** [Kc 3h 5h]
*** TURN *** [Kc 3h 5h] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 3h 5h 2c] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dmoongirl shows a pair of Aces
Muxy shows three of a kind, Kings
Muxy wins the pot ($169.60) with three of a kind, Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $172.60 | Rake $3
Board: [Kc 3h 5h 2c 6s]
Seat 1: Muxy (big blind) showed [Kh Ks] and won ($169.60) with three of a
kind, Kings
Seat 2: Teddy KGB_AA didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: razindaz21 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: MrLips didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: dmoongirl (button) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: moresex (small blind) folded before the Flop
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Old 07-03-2005, 02:29 PM #8 (permalink)  
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It was meant to be
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Old 07-03-2005, 02:35 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Don't let that hand make you reluctant to fold to big all ins preflop with KK, you call that every time.
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Old 07-03-2005, 06:15 PM #10 (permalink)  
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indeed..sexy hand btw :>
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Old 07-03-2005, 09:15 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I always think I'm up against AA in these situations as well, but thats not usually the case. Its always easier to be the one pushing.

By the way, nice catch fish.
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Old 07-03-2005, 09:40 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I always think I'm up against AA in these situations as well, but thats not usually the case. Its always easier to be the one pushing.

By the way, nice catch fish.
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Old 07-04-2005, 07:25 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Not to steal your topic, Muxy, but I think posting it here would be easier.

Is this the same principle, to never fold KK preflop? Or because it's a 3rd raiser, should I call and see a flop?

PokerStars Game #2029210812: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/07/04 - 03:12:18 (ET)
Table 'Algieba II' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: h3m8n ($96.35 in chips)
Seat 2: FeARFaCT ($49.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Sir Tilt ($49.45 in chips)
Seat 4: EluZive ($153.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Everton1878 ($40.70 in chips)
Seat 6: banker3768 ($19.25 in chips)
h3m8n: posts small blind $0.25
FeARFaCT: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Everton1878 [Kc Kh]
Sir Tilt: folds
EluZive: raises $1 to $1.50
Everton1878: raises $4 to $5.50
banker3768: folds
h3m8n: raises $4.50 to $10
FeARFaCT: folds
EluZive: folds
Everton1878: raises $17 to $27
h3m8n: raises $17 to $44
Everton1878: calls $13.70 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [8s Qd Qh]
h3m8n said, "aa"
*** TURN *** [8s Qd Qh] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [8s Qd Qh Ks] [5d]
Sir Tilt said, "KK"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
h3m8n: shows [Ah As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Everton1878: shows [Kc Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
Everton1878 collected $80.40 from pot
h3m8n said, "nice"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $83.40 | Rake $3
Board [8s Qd Qh Ks 5d]
Seat 1: h3m8n (small blind) showed [Ah As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 2: FeARFaCT (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Sir Tilt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: EluZive folded before Flop
Seat 5: Everton1878 showed [Kc Kh] and won ($80.40) with a full house, Kings full of Queens
Seat 6: banker3768 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 07-04-2005, 10:38 AM #14 (permalink)  
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Old 07-05-2005, 12:57 AM #15 (permalink)  
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So guys what if 2 full stacks are all-in before you? Is this the time to lay KK??
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:48 AM #16 (permalink)  
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In 6-max you should never lay down KK pre-flop period. Even if two guys are already all-in. In 10-max you should consider it, but I rarely laly down KK in 10-max pre-flop either. Its just bad business lol!
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:55 AM #17 (permalink)  
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Laying down KK in any situation preflop is like saying "I have AA but I'm gonna lay it down cause I might get sucked out"

Only time i'd even CONSIDER it is if i won a seat into like a $500,000+ MTT, and was on the bubble with a big stack and a bigger stack pushed.

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Old 07-05-2005, 02:08 PM #18 (permalink)  
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hah afair play, Ive just thought if 2 people before you went allin then you're simply getting better odds *if* one of them *does* have aa
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