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Old 03-01-2008, 12:05 PM     Post subject: HU vs. Weirdo fish - Do I suck at HU? #1 (permalink)  
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 There are quite a few hands in this, but I genuinely think it's worth it.

This guy first found his way to my buddylist about 10 days ago when at 50NL 6max he stacked off with 77 on a T823r or something, which I felt to be bad even for a fish. I managed to play with him at 6max once after that and came to the conclusion that he was bad (but not predictable bad either). He started popping up at 100NL HU and in the spirit of underrolled GAMBOOL I felt I had to give him a go.

I basically know fuck all about HU. I've tried to give you enough hands for reads without hitting the tl;dr buttons. I certainly make a ton of nonstandard plays but I hope I've given you enough hands to justify them (and hopefully let you find the correct play)

Global reads:

- Rarely PFRs
- Bluffs a lot
- Doesn't really know how to valuetown
- Sees waaaay too many flops OOP
- Folds to cbets a lot for some odd reason (considering how much he sucks)
- Either turns made hands into bluffs or doesn't know WTF he's doing
- Loves mindonking, folds to a raise about 70% of the time, but there's definitely some type of cycle to as to whether he does it with bluffs or good hands
- His lines became a bit more transparent as time went on - whether this was me adjusting or him gaining a thought process, I don't know.
- Doesn't like calling down, likes bluffing (and possibly re-bluffing)

I felt that because he didn't call that much that my main EV in this match would come from bluffcalling than from valuetowning.


Session 1


1
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($49.00)
BB ($50.90)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero folds

Final Pot: $18.5

BB wins $5.7 ( lost -$3.3 )
Hero lost -$3.00



2
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($64.00)
BB ($55.40)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB folds

Final Pot: $14.5

Hero wins $5.7 ( lost -$1.3 )
BB lost -$3.00


3
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($52.40)
Hero ($66.70)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN calls $0.5, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN raises to $8, Hero folds

Final Pot: $23

BTN wins $13.3 ( won +$2.3 )
Hero lost -$7.00


4
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($59.70)
BB ($58.70)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $9, BB folds

Final Pot: $24.5

Hero wins $7.6 ( lost -$4.4 )
BB lost -$4.00


5
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($56.10)
Hero ($61.80)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN calls $0.5, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($19, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($19, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Final Pot: $19
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $17.1 ( won +$8.1 )
BTN lost -$9.00



6
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($46.60)
Hero ($69.40)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN raises to $2, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($6.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($18.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Final Pot: $18.5
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $17.1 ( won +$8.1 )
BTN lost -$9.00



7
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($69.50)
BB ($44.80)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($18.5, 2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero calls $18

River: ($54.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls $17.8

Final Pot: $94.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $88.6 ( won +$41.6 )
BB lost -$44.80



8
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($112.30)
BB ($51.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($14.5, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Final Pot: $24.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

BB wins $23 ( won +$11 )
Hero lost -$12.00

9
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($93.70)
BB ($67.80)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($18.5, 2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero raises to $84.7, BB calls $40.8

River: ($187.9, 2 players)

Final Pot: $187.9
BB shows:
Hero shows:

BB wins $134.6 ( won +$66.8 )
Hero lost -$93.70




- He'd been minraising a lot of cbets - Click it back!

10
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($141.40)
Hero ($99.50)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN calls $0.5, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN raises to $8, Hero raises to $15, BTN folds

Final Pot: $41

Hero wins $21 ( won +$3 )
BTN lost -$11.00


11
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($109.30)
BB ($130.30)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($18.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($18.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $15, BB raises to $30, Hero calls $15

Final Pot: $78.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $77 ( won +$38 )
BB lost -$39.00
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Old 03-01-2008, 12:17 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 12
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($148.55)
BB ($86.35)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $9, BB raises to $17, Hero folds

Final Pot: $41.5

BB wins $23 ( won +$3 )
Hero lost -$12.00



13
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($130.55)
BB ($102.75)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($8.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($10.5, 2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $50, Hero raises to $125.55, BB folds

Final Pot: $301.6

Hero wins $109 ( lost -$21.55 )
BB lost -$55.00


14
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($177.05)
BB ($54.55)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($8.5, 2 players)
BB bets $8, Hero calls $8

River: ($24.5, 2 players)
BB bets $42.55, Hero folds

Final Pot: $109.6

BB wins $23 ( lost -$31.55 )
Hero lost -$12.00


Session 2


15
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($50.00)
BB ($50.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($11.5, 2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($31.5, 2 players)
BB bets $30, Hero raises to $35, BB calls $5

River: ($101.5, 2 players)

Final Pot: $101.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $99 ( won +$49 )
BB lost -$50.00



16
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($96.50)
BB ($50.40)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.15, BB calls $5.15

Turn: ($16.8, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB raises to $22, Hero raises to $82.3, BB calls $20.25

River: ($192.4, 2 players)

Final Pot: $192.4
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $99.8 ( won +$9.35 )
BB lost -$50.40



17
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($54.60)
Hero ($140.90)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN calls $0.5, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7, 2 players)
Hero bets $4.5, BTN raises to $9, Hero folds

Final Pot: $25

BTN wins $14.25 ( won +$2.25 )
Hero lost -$7.50



18
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($122.60)
BB ($69.85)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($8.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($10.5, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Final Pot: $20.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $19 ( won +$9 )
BB lost -$10.00



19
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($137.30)
BB ($53.25)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($8.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($10.5, 2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10

Final Pot: $30.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $29 ( won +$14 )
BB lost -$15.00



20
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($38.25)
Hero ($151.30)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN raises to $2, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($6.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($6.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN raises to $10, Hero calls $5

Final Pot: $26.5
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $25 ( won +$12 )
BTN lost -$13.00



21
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($146.30)
BB ($70.15)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $7, BB raises to $13, Hero folds

Final Pot: $33.5

BB wins $19 ( won +$3 )
Hero lost -$10.00



22
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($135.30)
BB ($80.05)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($18.5, 2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero calls $18

Final Pot: $54.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

BB wins $53 ( won +$26 )
Hero lost -$27.00



23
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($89.45)
Hero ($122.90)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN calls $0.5, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($7, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN calls $4

River: ($15, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, BTN raises to $24, Hero calls $12

Final Pot: $63
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

BTN wins $61 ( won +$30 )
Hero lost -$31.00



24
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($121.15)
Hero ($89.60)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN calls $0.5, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN calls $4

Turn: ($15, 2 players)
Hero bets $9, BTN calls $9

River: ($33, 2 players)
Hero bets $20, 1 fold

Final Pot: $73

Hero wins $31 ( lost -$5 )
BTN lost -$16.00



25
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($106.30)
BB ($103.15)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($8.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($10.5, 2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10

Final Pot: $30.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $29 ( won +$14 )
BB lost -$15.00



26
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($89.55)
Hero ($118.80)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN calls $0.5, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($9, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8, Hero raises to $21, BTN folds

Final Pot: $51

Hero wins $23 ( lost -$2 )
BTN lost -$12.00



27
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($78.05)
Hero ($129.30)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN raises to $2, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($12.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($12.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $72.05, Hero folds

Final Pot: $156.6

BTN wins $11.4 ( lost -$66.65 )
Hero lost -$6.00


28
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($123.30)
BB ($83.45)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $9, BB raises to $17, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $13

River: ($76.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $40, BB folds

Final Pot: $156.5

Hero wins $65 ( lost -$8 )
BB lost -$33.00



29
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($142.30)
BB ($62.45)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($11.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($11.5, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($21.5, 2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero calls $20

Final Pot: $61.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $59 ( won +$29 )
BB lost -$30.00




30
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($70.65)
Hero ($162.80)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BB
BTN raises to $2, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($12.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12, Hero raises to $30, BTN calls $18

River: ($72.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $45, BTN calls $34.65

Final Pot: $162.5
BTN shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $140.3 ( won +$59.3 )
BTN lost -$70.65



31
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($229.30)
BB ($34.14)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.5, 2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($18.5, 2 players)
BB bets $25.14, Hero calls $25.14

River: ($68.78, 2 players)

Final Pot: $68.78
BB shows:
Hero shows:

BB wins $67.28 ( won +$33.14 )
Hero lost -$34.14



32
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($196.41)
BB ($64.83)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 2 players) Hero is BTN
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($11.5, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($13.5, 2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero calls $12

River: ($37.5, 2 players)
BB bets $36, Hero raises to $72, BB calls $10.83

Final Pot: $181.5
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $128.66 ( won +$38.66 )
BB lost -$64.83
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Old 03-01-2008, 05:05 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 General thoughts.

1. You played way too passively and made too small of raises with your nut hands. This guy was so crazy versus passiveness sometimes calling is appropriate, but sometimes it was definetely not. And when he was clicking it back you have to put in a stronger raise, for realz.

2. Don't raise hands like 42s or 82s versus this guy. Versus people who don't fold the value of draws go down and the value of made hands up. Try playing high cards and your life will be a ton easier.

3. I'd raise it to $4 OOP when he limps.

4. When you have a combo draw or overcards and a flush draw or something like that just start going crazy.
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Old 03-01-2008, 09:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I think a good example of what Iowa's saying,with his first point, is Hand 6.

You were wayyy too passive 75% of that hand. At the very minimum you should have valuebet the river.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 03-02-2008, 01:57 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Ragnar, hand 6 river was missed c/r - possibly not the right play but given circumstances i had no reason to believe he wouldnt bet.
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