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phantom_lord
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01-04-2007, 11:33 PM
Post subject: hows my pt stats?
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I don't come here often, so apologies if this is the wrong place for this question.
I started off at .10/.20, moved up to .25/.50 and this is my last two weeks of hands. I stepped up the aggression a bit, and blind stealing, but it looks like I've a bit more work to do in those areas.
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silu73
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Seems fine to me however your aggression on the flop and river is way lower than mine. Are your big hands being paid off?
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Irisheyes
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Push up your aggression.
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Renton
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about 4x more aggressive on the flop
call less pre, raise and reraise more
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Genitruc
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haha pretty useless to say that I disagree with both Irish and Renton since analyzing your stats is all about what kind of game/image you want to play/create.
FWIW I'm even less aggressive than you on the flop but much more aggressive on the river, I rarely reraise preflop but I still manage to make money
there are a million ways to beat this game. maybe if you want better feedback give a description of the type of game you're trying to build?
Are you looking to play small ball or "big ball"?
Do you want a low-variance, steady build type game, or a high-variance maniacal game that typically wins more bb/100 but is harder to implement and more stressful to play?
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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biondino
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You intentionally cut out your winnings? I like that.
Your stats look pretty good - I'd certainly not want you on my table. I think maybe you raise too many buttons but I imagine that works for you - I'd certainly try to take advantage of that.
I agree you're not aggro enough - try and get the flop stat to at least 2.5. You are putting your opponents to decision pre-flop, but post-flop it seems you're a bit passive. Are you check/calling a lot? How often do you cbet? How often do you re-raise on the flop?
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Irisheyes
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Gentruic, the flop provides the best bluffing oppertunity in all of poker.
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Fnord
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More Cowbell.
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phantom_lord
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Originally Posted by biondino
Are you check/calling a lot? How often do you cbet? How often do you re-raise on the flop?
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I c-bet the vast majority of the time. Maybe it's a case of me not bluffing anywhere as much as I could, i don't rr much. That's something I'm gonna start doing alot more.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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you are way too loose on the button, and it's going to bite you in the butt sooner or later.
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Genitruc
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Re : Irish ("Flops are best spot to bluff in all of poker")
yeah, and it's also the most obvious. Vs taggs who are capable of bluffraising a lot of flops or floating in position, it's often more +ev to check-call or check-fold a lot of flops than c-bet something like a whiffed AJ on a Q92 board. Flop play is probably worth starting another thread though...
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Genitruc
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Massimo, the more postflop skill you have, the more of a mistake it becomes to fold any 2 on the button so I don't think there's a lot of sense in saying "button looseness will bite you".
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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UG
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More Cowbell.
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I've got a fever....and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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JL
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Don't limp so much UTG. Raise or fold.
Also, complete the SB less often.
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phantom_lord
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I thought I'd been playing fairly tight in the sb.. what % should it be?
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
Re : Irish ("Flops are best spot to bluff in all of poker")
yeah, and it's also the most obvious. Vs taggs who are capable of bluffraising a lot of flops or floating in position, it's often more +ev to check-call or check-fold a lot of flops than c-bet something like a whiffed AJ on a Q92 board. Flop play is probably worth starting another thread though...
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Genitruc, this is 50NL. Who exactly is bluff raising us?
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Genitruc
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lots of ppl who eventually move up play low stakes. they might bluff raise us.
lots of idiots who know a few things about poker typically "don't believe" c bets. Also, lots of overaggro fish have a tough time calling down making plays on later streets, whereas on the flop they often think "zomg J-HIGH FLOP HE HAS BUSTED AK I RAISE"... which isn't fishy thinking I suppose. When's the last time you've played nl50 Irish? I have a friend who I'm coaching and when I sit with him at nl50 I play basically the same game as I play at nl200 or 400 and it seems to work out just fine.
I agree though that vs mediocre/bad players just c-betting is fine as a default play. I just tend to play the first few hands vs any villain kind of passively in the hopes of getting to showdown to see how they play flops...
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Irisheyes
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Even at Party 1kNL, with the most aggressive and bluff capable regs, you can profitably cbet 70% of flops. To not do so at 50NL is blatently leaving money on the table.
No way are the players down there aggressive enough or good enough to be profitably bluff checkraising cbets. And even if they do start to c/r your cbets, all that does is open up another oppertunity for you to out pay these people when you have position on them.
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Genitruc
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
Even at Party 1kNL, with the most aggressive and bluff capable regs, you can profitably cbet 70% of flops. To not do so at 50NL is blatently leaving money on the table.
No way are the players down there aggressive enough or good enough to be profitably bluff checkraising cbets. And even if they do start to c/r your cbets, all that does is open up another oppertunity for you to out pay these people when you have position on them.
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This hijack is getting pretty good (bad ) so I think I'll start another thread about it.
what about the 30% of flops you can't bet? Are you suggesting that it's worth c-betting 100% of the time (doubt you're saying this obv...) so you can take down 70% of flops? The sukky thing about the 30% that we lose is that in that 30% a good percentage of those lost pots are pots we could have won by checking. And lots of those are mid-sized pots we could have won rather than lose a midsized pot (pfr + c bet) or win a small one when we raise then c-bet.
this might seem like obv basic stoopid stuff but I might start another thread about it...
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Irisheyes
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Nah I'm saying we should be cbetting 70% of flops, not that we shopuld be cbetting 100% and winning 70% of those. Though actually thats probably true too.
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ville18
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daaaaamn ur passive. raise raise bet yo ship ship bet
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Silly String
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Don't raise junk from the button. No need to defend your blinds so diligently. Bet/raise more & call less.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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phantom_lord
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haven't really looked at me stats much in a while, should I start stealing a bit more from the cut-off maybe? still need to be a bit more agressive I think.
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Silly String
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You sir are a little nitty, but a money making nit.
It sounds bad, but I don't mean that as an insult. You apparently keep yourself out of tough spots fairly often.
What are your goals? Make money or become a better poker player?
Sometimes the two are mutually exclusive in the short term. 5.5BB/100 is good though. Nothing wrong with keeping on trucking.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Massimo
you are way too loose on the button, and it's going to bite you in the butt sooner or later.
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impossible!
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Sprayed
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Originally Posted by Silly String
You sir are a little nitty, but a money making nit.
It sounds bad, but I don't mean that as an insult. You apparently keep yourself out of tough spots fairly often.
What are your goals? Make money or become a better poker player?
Sometimes the two are mutually exclusive in the short term. 5.5BB/100 is good though. Nothing wrong with keeping on trucking.
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Explain please. What part of his stats say nitty? How do you define this? Is it his 25/7 stats? I ask because I seriously don't know. Tourney donk, please forgive me. 
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IowaSkinsFan
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You should be running at least 12BB/100 or I'd just quit poker, you have no shot.
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Silly String
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Originally Posted by Sprayed
Explain please. What part of his stats say nitty? How do you define this? Is it his 25/7 stats? I ask because I seriously don't know. Tourney donk, please forgive me. |
20/10 with low aggro factor is what I define as nitty. I guess it is borderline tight/semi-tight, but with the low aggro factor I say nitty.
Mostly-Tight, Semi-Passive might be a better description.
. . . and I don't see any 25/7 stats. What am I missing here?
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Sprayed
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Originally Posted by Silly String
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Originally Posted by Sprayed
Explain please. What part of his stats say nitty? How do you define this? Is it his 25/7 stats? I ask because I seriously don't know. Tourney donk, please forgive me. |
20/10 with low aggro factor is what I define as nitty. I guess it is borderline tight/semi-tight, but with the low aggro factor I say nitty.
Mostly-Tight, Semi-Passive might be a better description.
. . . and I don't see any 25/7 stats. What am I missing here? |
You're missing nothing. I was looking at the wrong column. So aggro factor is the key. Thx
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