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Old 04-20-2007, 04:27 AM     Post subject: How's this bluff against fishy? #1 (permalink)  
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 This guy was pretty bad, very loose/weak. His line was so ghey I just could not resist going AI on river, figuring he would fold everything but a full house or a 3.. Good/horrible?

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Table 'Ogyalla' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: adam001 ($506.10 in chips)
Seat 2: cashbags ($649.65 in chips)
Seat 3: alexos888 ($536.10 in chips)
Seat 4: WSU Slacker ($521.50 in chips)
Seat 5: cachews ($400 in chips)
Seat 6: SickDEcisoNZ ($610.10 in chips)
WSU Slacker: posts small blind $2
cachews: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to alexos888 [Ac 4s]
SickDEcisoNZ: folds
adam001: folds
cashbags: calls $4
alexos888: raises $16 to $20
WSU Slacker: folds
cachews: folds
cashbags: calls $16
*** FLOP *** [8h 3d 2c]
cashbags: bets $12
alexos888: raises $28 to $40
cashbags: calls $28
*** TURN *** [8h 3d 2c] [7d]
cashbags: bets $56
alexos888: calls $56
*** RIVER *** [8h 3d 2c 7d] [3h]
cashbags: bets $64
alexos888: raises $356.10 to $420.10 and is all-in
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Old 04-20-2007, 04:28 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Your line makes no sense and when it makes no sense i think it's safe to say the hand is bad.
I just fold turn or river.
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Old 04-20-2007, 04:37 AM #3 (permalink)  
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fold preflop. as played, you should give up on the turn.
 
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:09 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't like it and would fold the turn. However, I think the preflop raise to isolate the horrible player is OK.
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:13 AM #5 (permalink)  
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ugh. just give up somewhere.
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:37 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 I dont get the comments....

I raise pf, raised flop, called turn for pot control, value raised a safe river...Why can I not play AA/KK like this?

Also, you guys saying fold, what do you put villain on? What do you think calls this bet on river? I'm playing TAGG
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:38 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 What does this gay river bet mean? Does no one smell weakness? I also did this because we were 150BB deep, at 100BB I would not
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Old 04-20-2007, 10:39 AM #8 (permalink)  
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his river bet is weak and i like your line.

tho i´m frequently losing money with moves like this against passives, who either bet weak on the end to induce a move or intended a blocking bet, but call anyway.
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:37 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I don't understand what makes you think that this guy, who has called your PF raise, your flop raise AND has led out on both turn and river, will put you on AA here with such conviction that he'd folding his own overpair. Your line reeks of AK; but the more I read it, the more trouble I am having understanding his line. Is he value betting you to death on the driest of board? Is he trying to induce raises? Is it a series of post-oak bluffs? Or is he incredibly weak and wants you to go away/see a cheap showdown? If your read tells you it's the latter, this may not be a terrible push. But it's definitely a suspicious river bet, and if he isn't as weak as you think he is, I can imagine him calling you down with a worse hand than you expect.
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Old 04-20-2007, 02:17 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 i think this is pretty horrible. Hes shown that he obviously likes his hand, so i give up after he calls the flop reraise and leads out the turn.
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Old 04-20-2007, 02:54 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 This type of fish blocking bet is them trying to control the pot on the river, but still call when pushed anyway I find.


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Old 04-20-2007, 03:33 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Villain calls and shows exactly JJ? Sometimes TT or QQ.
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Old 04-20-2007, 04:18 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Villain calls and shows exactly JJ? Sometimes TT or QQ.
that wont happen because of preflop

more likely 8x or some stupid pair
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:09 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 Yeah exactly, and this guy just seemed weak, not the type of player who would make a hero call. I thought.

cashbags said, "your nuts...you gonna show me after I fold"
He then folded.
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Old 04-20-2007, 05:53 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 I just hate shoving here and seeing opp show up with the nuts.
I never see this line by opp ever so idk what really to make of it. But clearly you had some read on this type of line.
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Old 04-20-2007, 07:45 PM #16 (permalink)  
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This is fine imo. Usually I would fold turn, but def not always if you think the combination of value when you hit and bluffing scare cards will get him to fold a ton of his range...

The only problem I see with ur line is that your river raise is way too big. Raise to say 225 and it may look even scarier/more like a value bet and it will fold the same part of his range while saving you 150 bucks.
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Old 04-20-2007, 08:56 PM #17 (permalink)  
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 I agree Alexos, his line does look weak, and i don't mind this. You could just fold the turn though, there isn't that much more value in this line without some kind of history of it.

I disagree with Sauce bout the river bet. I like the push, it doesn't look bluffy and i don't want this guy to feel "priced in."
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Old 04-20-2007, 10:26 PM #18 (permalink)  
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 noooooooooooooooooooooo

Unless by weak you mean he folds a lot. In that case this is very good.

Only asking since some ppl define "weak" as players who call down super-light.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 04-20-2007, 10:47 PM #19 (permalink)  
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 nonono, weak as in likes to bet/fold a lot...although this usually happens on flop with this guy...

Also weak as in his hand doesnt look that strong either, and he'll have a hard time calling with anything but FH/or a 3. We're pretty sure he doesnt have TT+ here also.
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Old 04-21-2007, 06:17 AM #20 (permalink)  
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i've noticed that many 30-40/10 even 60/1 stat players actually play weak like that, bet-sizing their hands while also not playing big pots without big hands...
so ya i think this is decent, even though your line doesn't make a ton of sense.
also i hope that u were seen as not a "bully"
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