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elipsesjeff

09-30-2006, 08:26 AM Post subject: How are my lines

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1) Villain is 62/11/2, not much else on him. For some reason, I feel I butchered this play up pretty badly. I had been pretty Laggy at the table, and I think I've had one of my c-bets picked off postflop somewhat, although, I still continue to fire away.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($353.03)
SB ($84.72)
BB ($93)
Hero ($176.40)
MP ($164.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T

, A

. SB posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, Button calls $8, SB (poster) calls $7, 1 fold.

Flop: ($26) A

, J

, Q

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, Button calls $18, SB folds.

Turn: ($62) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $52.03, Hero calls $52.03.

River: ($166.06) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $40, Button raises to $80, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $286.06

2) Over the 50 Hands I got on this villain, he is a 33/2 preflop, standard postflop. Is betting the flop here better?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($339.09)
UTG ($318.10)
MP ($266.55)
Hero ($211.90)
Button ($183.20)
SB ($128.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

, J

. UTG posts a blind of $2. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, Button raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($39) 7

, T

, 5

(3 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $22, Hero calls $22.

Turn: ($83) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $81, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $164

3) Meh, Villain is an idiot. I feel I could have played this better, probably just folded the turn. Something about his weak ass flop and turn bets though...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($142.18)
CO ($56.75)
Hero ($198)
SB ($198)
BB ($107)
UTG ($98.77)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J

, J

. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, UTG calls $12, MP folds, CO calls $12.

Flop: ($47) K

, A

, T

(3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $11.7, Hero calls $11.70, UTG folds.

Turn: ($70.40) 2

(2 players)
CO bets $11.22, Hero calls $11.22.

River: ($92.84) 3

(2 players)
CO calls $19.83 (All-In), Hero calls $19.83.

Final Pot: $132.50

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10-01-2006, 04:00 AM

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10-01-2006, 04:55 PM

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i wouldnt bet river in hand 1, but maybe try to pick off a bluff from missed spades.

hand 3 is weird but i dont think you can fold anywhere...maybe raise the flop

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10-01-2006, 07:14 PM

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Hand 1: You're trapping yourself in most of these games with that pre-flop raise. ATo telgraphed with an EP raise will win small lose big vs most of the field.
Hand 2: It's fine, I'd usually just fold the flop.
Hand 3: Sometimes weak is strong. Looks like a probe bet trying to trap a hand like yours.

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10-01-2006, 07:33 PM

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jeff,

In hand 1 check/fold to any reasonable river bet.
In hand 2 your play is fine. Dont lead flop. If your stats were over a bigger sample size I would also check/fold flop.
In hand 3 is tough, if I was HU I would mostly raise his weak flop bet, but I think a flop fold is OK with UTG yet to act. Even though you are getting great odds on every streets I have a hard time calling with this board.

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10-01-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

Even though you are getting great odds on every streets I have a hard time calling with this board.

Show your math here. My numbers get us somewhere between close to -EV.

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10-01-2006, 08:46 PM

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Jeff,

Thought about this a little more on the way to pick up caffeine

In NLHE there is more than one way to skin a cat. Some people use hyper-aggression to take away pots from weak players and induce mistakes and that works for them. I've switched to a tigher, pot-control, selective aggression game. Most of my opponents have some pretty terrible leaks including playing too many hands, running transparent lines, trapping themselves, etc. Rather than force mistakes I identify and destroy. That might not fly in some bigger games. For 100 and 200 nl, it works great and since making these adjustments I swing less and win more. When I compare my earlier 100 play to my newer 100 and 200 hands, I tend to be in way better spots when all of the money goes into the pot.

Food for thought...

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10-01-2006, 09:30 PM

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Quote:

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Even though you are getting great odds on every streets I have a hard time calling with this board.

Show your math here. My numbers get us somewhere between close to -EV.

It was very very close, that I had to do on the fly, which I also wasn't expecting his donk bet.

Co has $43 in the hole and the pot is $47. Effectively you're looking at just under 9-1 (like perfect 8.7 if you wanted it lol). There is also a small chance villain here has a couple hearts, a T, and my hand is good. I've got 6 clear outs here, not including the backdoor draw. In LHE thats a good 7-7.5 outs that I would assume would be good here on the flop, especially with effective odds of 9-1 and pot odds of 4-1.

The Turn call is again, very very close because we're still getting like 9-1 here with that nasty bet. And the river could just as well been a missed heart draw. Turns out Villain had A9c and he backdoored his flush.

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10-01-2006, 09:59 PM

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Jeff,

Thanks for doing the math for us math illiterate

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