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Old 03-01-2007, 06:45 AM     Post subject: How to fight back against habitual 3betters #1 (permalink)  
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3rd time in last 50 hands he has 3bet me from the button.

I should have raised more on the flop...
He thought for a while and then called.

What's your move on the turn??
$400+ pot with $450 left in my stack; he has me covered.


Texas Hold'em $2-$4 NL (real money), hand #1,944,827,313
Table Quito, 1 Mar 2007 1:03 AM ET

Seat 1: OmG_AA ($491.00 in chips)
Seat 7: elistake ($1,489.05 in chips)
Seat 8: maverick1--- ($96.50 in chips)
Seat 9: AAAA7846 ($141.20 in chips)
Seat 10: Hero [ JD,AD ] ($689.90 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
maverick1--- posts blind ($2), AAAA7846 posts blind ($4).

PRE-FLOP
Hero bets $14, OmG_AA folds, elistake bets $40, maverick1--- folds, AAAA7846 folds, Hero calls $26.

FLOP [board cards 5S,10D,2S ]
Hero checks, elistake bets $65, Hero bets $170, elistake calls $105.

TURN [board cards 5S,10D,2S,7H ]
Hero ?????
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Old 03-01-2007, 07:02 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hero gives up like he should have PF.
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Old 03-01-2007, 07:11 AM #3 (permalink)  
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squeeze play them sometimes, habitual 3-bettor to my left, callingstation mega donk to his left.(70% VPIP)

http://www.pokerhand.nu/hand/2139

In the hand you posted you should usually just fold pre flop
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 fold preflop or reraise him.
Otherwise open for 3bbs if you wanto take flops against habitual light 3bettors and learn to play post flop.

As played when i open with AJ and get properly 3-bet im folding without a really deep stack to take a look at the flop.
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Old 03-01-2007, 11:23 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Fold preflop, fold flop, open fold turn before you do anymore damage. You allowed the LAgg's game to get you.

If you insist on playing this hand, I say pop him back preflop. If you insist on calling his 3-bet preflop, I say make sure the flop shows you some promise before you make some play on him, unlike this flop.


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Old 03-01-2007, 11:59 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Stacks are too deep here to get tricky with a mediocre hand OOP.
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Old 03-02-2007, 12:55 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 If he's good then he knows you're waiting to make a move on him and this is a great flop to make a move.

So usually after he calls you here on the flop you can shutdown knowing he's calling the rest of it...

However, what I just stated means that he may think his call will get him to showdown cheaply. Hence the strength of his call and the dilemma you're in.

If you think you'll be playing with this villain a lot then figure out how you'd play 555 here (maybe bet 225 on this turn to make him think he can push you off of it) and run with it.

Sorry I can't be more specific, but there are fascinating spots, esp 150BB+ deep vs villains who are inSANE aggro (LOL 11 AF). His flat-call of your c/r seems very weird, hence strong to me.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:38 AM #8 (permalink)  
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AJ is the worst hand that ppl consider "good" (will die with). Therefore, in a preflop pissing contest, AJ always has the worst of it. What are we hoping for, KT?? ATs???
 
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 but it's SOOTED!!!
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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