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wufwugy
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07-09-2008, 10:28 PM
Post subject: how do you like a rebluff here
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4-of-a-Kind
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assume standard tagish lagish images for both hero and villain
hero calls a raise with XX either OOP or IP, doesn't matter. flop is XXX, something less than J and not real drawy. hero c/c flop or flats IP. turn is K, how do you feel about hero raising when he wants to bluff?
what im getting at here is that a good player knows that K is a great bluffing card, and he probably cbets with too many bluffs in the first place. why dont we just rebluff him since he should be bluffing a lot in the first place?
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minSim
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Likely good.
Depending on the flop texture you might not really be repping anything yourself, but I guess a lot of players are too weak to make the call.
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Carroters
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This is pretty much the ideal example of a standard flosat and will work against like everyone at 50 or 100NL that misses this flop and doesnt have like KQ or something.
Btw Minsim just realised you're always at my tables at 50NL you damn nit!
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minSim
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Btw Minsim just realised you're always at my tables at 50NL you damn nit!
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Hehe, yeah I noticed you a few times as well.....you have folded a lot to me  , but we've stayed out of eachothers way it seems. You seem solid for the stake, although I haven't really seen much of your postflop play (yet).
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Carroters
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Yeah well theres 3 types of players at 50NL on stars.
1.Decent regs that you dont really need to get involved with too much to still crush the level
2. Total NIT regs that fold to like 95% of 3 bets and you can jus run them over.
3. The masses of donks that prvoide 75% of your profits
So needless to say i prolly fold to category 1 a lot more than i would if 2 and 3 didnt exist.
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Marshall28
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i really hate trying to checkraise or re-bluff a turn card like this. Of course it is extremely dependent on what exactly the flop is, for example, a J97 board is much much different than a J72.
In either case, you have to ask yourself this ... Why is a K on the turn such a valuable bluff card? It's because it nails the preflop raiser's range so hard that there is really nothing a check/calling opponent can do except call the turn hoping villain is bluffing it too much, and hoping he wasn't merging his range w/ a hand like JT figuring the K def didn't hit your range and that he needs to merge occasionally for balance.
Basically, it just becomes a huge guessing game, and if you take it on pure numbers, think about the types of hands that most players like to raise ...
AK AQ AJ KQ KJ QJ KT QT QT JT .... every one of these hands either picked up extra equity on the turn, already had a made hand, or picked up a pair on the turn ....
like i said, the main problem is that it just hits the opener's range too hard and there really is nothing u can do about him bluffing there, it's why it's so profitable to do so.
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