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Old 10-13-2008, 04:16 AM     Post subject: How bad is this River shove? 100NL #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 20/16/3.2 over 250+ hands. I haven't seen him do anything too crazy and haven't seen him make any moves. Only hand I can remember against him was when I PFR IP, cbet flop, check check turn, and he check called my river bet with AJ midpair on the flop.

I put him on like AJ/KJ or something and thought there is a good chance he might actually call with those hands.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with ,
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB raises to $13, Hero calls $8.50

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SB checks, Hero bets $67 (All-In)
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:23 AM #2 (permalink)  
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lol. Didn't realize i had exactly a PSB left. For some reason thought I had more......well this changes some things.
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:37 AM #3 (permalink)  
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What's PSB? It's a good shove, I think you have the best hand.
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:47 AM #4 (permalink)  
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What's PSB? It's a good shove, I think you have the best hand.
Pot size bet.
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:55 AM #5 (permalink)  
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What was the outcome? Just PM it, if you want to wait on feedback from other players.
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:03 AM #6 (permalink)  
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i like it
Flopping quads and boats like its my job
 
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:05 AM #7 (permalink)  
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- bet bigger on the flop (i like between $5 to $6)
- as played I'd prob fold to the flop raise given your read, plus you're not getting a great price to continue imo.
 
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:08 AM #8 (permalink)  
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What was the outcome? Just PM it, if you want to wait on feedback from other players.
You're thinking about poker wrong if you want to know the outcome of the hand.
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:08 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Mystery Spot, woot! lol
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:30 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I'd bet a little bit more on flop but think your size is alright. This seems good as played, can we really b/f an amount? Plus this looks semibluffy. His turn bet scares me though betting so small. He seems content with his hand but I could be thinking too deeply plus others may think if he's more content he'd bet more but meh.
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:46 AM #11 (permalink)  
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i didnt see that we got raise, i thought we were the one doing the raising on the flop. I probably fold to the flop c/r but as played I think its good. He doesn't have a full house here that often.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:15 AM #12 (permalink)  
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i didnt see that we got raise, i thought we were the one doing the raising on the flop. I probably fold to the flop c/r but as played I think its good. He doesn't have a full house here that often.
You can't be serious, we have 8 clean outs to the nuts, we only need to make an average of $24 more when we hit the turn for calling the c/r to be profitable.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:07 AM #13 (permalink)  
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There's a decent chance he also has trips with a hand like KT QT 8T or 7T and you beat most of those so I like the shove.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:42 AM #14 (permalink)  
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i didnt see that we got raise, i thought we were the one doing the raising on the flop. I probably fold to the flop c/r but as played I think its good. He doesn't have a full house here that often.
I'd float the flop with KT let alone QT
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:43 AM #15 (permalink)  
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of course the likelihood that I cbet KT here is small (my cbet% is significantly smaller than most)
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Old 10-13-2008, 05:06 PM #16 (permalink)  
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I like the flop bet size fwiw, as long as you don't use that same size for wetter flops. Somehow I get the feeling he's not calling a push. There's not busted draws for you to rep, a push is huge strength.


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Old 10-13-2008, 06:52 PM #17 (permalink)  
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flop is an obvious call and river is an obvious bet with shove probably being suboptimal.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:16 PM #18 (permalink)  
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flop is an obvious call and river is an obvious bet with shove probably being suboptimal.
This.

Turn call is really marginal because most of your outs are dirty or in plain sight.
 
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Old 10-13-2008, 08:38 PM #19 (permalink)  
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shove probably being suboptimal.
How come? What would've been a better bet size and why?
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Old 10-13-2008, 08:39 PM #20 (permalink)  
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Turn call is really marginal because most of your outs are dirty or in plain sight.
Would you have called or let it go on the turn?
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Old 10-13-2008, 08:51 PM #21 (permalink)  
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i agree with fnord about turn too but im pretty indifferent/not nitpicky about that spot
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