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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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10-13-2008, 04:16 AM
Post subject: How bad is this River shove? 100NL
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Full House
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Villain is 20/16/3.2 over 250+ hands. I haven't seen him do anything too crazy and haven't seen him make any moves. Only hand I can remember against him was when I PFR IP, cbet flop, check check turn, and he check called my river bet with AJ midpair on the flop.
I put him on like AJ/KJ or something and thought there is a good chance he might actually call with those hands.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($99.50)
Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($131.55)
BB ($155.20)
UTG ($45.75)
MP ($164.85)
Preflop: Hero is Button with , 
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($7) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB raises to $13, Hero calls $8.50
Turn: ($33) (2 players)
SB bets $17, Hero calls $17
River: ($67) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $67 (All-In)
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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lol. Didn't realize i had exactly a PSB left. For some reason thought I had more......well this changes some things.
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grindwell
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What's PSB? It's a good shove, I think you have the best hand.
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Originally Posted by grindwell
What's PSB? It's a good shove, I think you have the best hand.
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Pot size bet.
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grindwell
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What was the outcome? Just PM it, if you want to wait on feedback from other players.
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thizzSantaCruz
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i like it
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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al yell
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- bet bigger on the flop (i like between $5 to $6)
- as played I'd prob fold to the flop raise given your read, plus you're not getting a great price to continue imo.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by grindwell
What was the outcome? Just PM it, if you want to wait on feedback from other players.
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You're thinking about poker wrong if you want to know the outcome of the hand.
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grindwell
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Mystery Spot, woot! lol
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kmind
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I'd bet a little bit more on flop but think your size is alright. This seems good as played, can we really b/f an amount? Plus this looks semibluffy. His turn bet scares me though betting so small. He seems content with his hand but I could be thinking too deeply plus others may think if he's more content he'd bet more but meh.
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thizzSantaCruz
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i didnt see that we got raise, i thought we were the one doing the raising on the flop. I probably fold to the flop c/r but as played I think its good. He doesn't have a full house here that often.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz
i didnt see that we got raise, i thought we were the one doing the raising on the flop. I probably fold to the flop c/r but as played I think its good. He doesn't have a full house here that often.
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You can't be serious, we have 8 clean outs to the nuts, we only need to make an average of $24 more when we hit the turn for calling the c/r to be profitable.
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Genitruc
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There's a decent chance he also has trips with a hand like KT QT 8T or 7T and you beat most of those so I like the shove.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz
i didnt see that we got raise, i thought we were the one doing the raising on the flop. I probably fold to the flop c/r but as played I think its good. He doesn't have a full house here that often.
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I'd float the flop with KT let alone QT
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bigspenda73
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of course the likelihood that I cbet KT here is small (my cbet% is significantly smaller than most)
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Galapogos
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I like the flop bet size fwiw, as long as you don't use that same size for wetter flops. Somehow I get the feeling he's not calling a push. There's not busted draws for you to rep, a push is huge strength.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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nutsinho
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flop is an obvious call and river is an obvious bet with shove probably being suboptimal.
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Fnord
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flop is an obvious call and river is an obvious bet with shove probably being suboptimal.
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This.
Turn call is really marginal because most of your outs are dirty or in plain sight.
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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shove probably being suboptimal.
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How come? What would've been a better bet size and why?
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Turn call is really marginal because most of your outs are dirty or in plain sight.
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Would you have called or let it go on the turn?
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nutsinho
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i agree with fnord about turn too but im pretty indifferent/not nitpicky about that spot
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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