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Cocco_Bill
Old 08-22-2006, 05:18 PM     Post subject: How bad is this line? #1 (permalink)  
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Opponent is a good LAG 39/24

I underbet the flop knowing that he will likely raise, my plan is to 3-bet an amount which shows that I am committing myself to the pot. If he folds great, is he doesn't I've probably got a a lot of outs.

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Game # 409711656 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 3,00/6,00 - Table "Trofa"
Game ended 2006-08-22 17:43:29 GMT+01:00

Players:
losjenta30 (EUR 1 486,59 in seat 1)
aderian (EUR 1 201,90 in seat 2)
mrshish (EUR 1 596,13 in seat 3)
Cocco_Bill (EUR 745,45 in seat 4)
KaizerSoze (EUR 935,55 in seat 6)

Dealer: losjenta30
Small Blind: aderian (3,00)
Big Blind: mrshish (6,00)

Cocco_Bill was dealt: :Kc: - :Tc:

Cocco_Bill Call (6,00)
KaizerSoze Fold
losjenta30 Raise (29,00)
aderian Call (26,00)
mrshish Fold
Cocco_Bill Call (23,00)

Flop - - :Ks:

aderian Check
Cocco_Bill Bet (29,00)
losjenta30 Raise (105,00)
aderian Fold
Cocco_Bill Raise (300,00)
losjenta30 Raise (975,00)
Cocco_Bill All-In (387,45)
losjenta30 Payback (363,55)
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Old 08-22-2006, 06:00 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i would rather lead him a larger amount so that your 3 bet is allin, but the line is fine. i dont like preflop though, i would rather raise or just fold because you have a LAG behind you, unless he is really bad then it seems ok
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:04 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Retreived HH showed that opp mucked 4s5s, this was quite precisely a coinflip which went in my favour.

Turn - - :Ks: -
River - - :Ks: - -

Cocco_Bill shows: Kc - Tc (a flush, king high)

losjenta30 didn't show hand

Cocco_Bill wins: EUR 1,523.90 (with a flush, king high)
Rake: EUR 2.00
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:13 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Can you explain the preflop please?

I thought open-limping was the devils work.
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Can you explain the preflop please?

I thought open-limping was the devils work.
I'm not really defending the open limping, but this is what I often do with specifically QTs KTs from early pos, I think they play badly in raised pots so I just hope to see a cheap flop with them. I probably should start raising them in all positions or fold them early pos in aggressive games though.
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:40 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I sometimes open limp with those hands 5-handed at some of the very loose-passive tables.
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Old 08-22-2006, 11:30 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Yeah, openlimping KTs UTG with a lag behind you is pretty bleh because you'll be OOP on the flop with a hand thats either makes a marginal toppair or a drawing hand - both are hands that sucks when playing OOP against an aggressive player.

As for the flop line, it really comes down to how much folding equity you have on the flop, because you'll be a dog against most hands that calls you in this spot. I believe you have more folding equity if your 3bet is allin (which is possible with a larger flop lead like gabe stated)
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Old 08-23-2006, 12:05 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Todays marathon session of 3/6 mixed with 2/4
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 sklansky has OK'd open limping AND min raising pre flop, read up.
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Old 08-23-2006, 04:31 AM #10 (permalink)  
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sklansky has OK'd open limping AND min raising pre flop, read up.
but there are places when its good, and usually they dont include mega LAGs behind you
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Old 08-23-2006, 10:35 AM #11 (permalink)  
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sklansky has OK'd open limping AND min raising pre flop, read up.
I'm only on page 50 gimme a few days sheesh.
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sklansky has OK'd open limping AND min raising pre flop, read up.
but there are places when its good, and usually they dont include mega LAGs behind you
I agree with not open limping with an aggressive player left to act behind you. What if this player loves to 3-bet you preflop though, would you consider open limping small pocket pairs as well as the occasional big pocket pair (going for the LRR) as a form of pot control OOP or do you just make a stand preflop?
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