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IowaSkinsFan

07-13-2007, 05:28 PM Post subject: How (bad) did I do?

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My image is really tight, Fgators probably isn't calling this raise with even JJ. Other guys is 60/12 fish except he has an extremely low WTSD% of 12%, except he has only a 30% fold to cbet%. Pretty weak also in general.

POKERSTARS GAME #10911217971: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/07/13 - 00:26:30 (ET)
Table 'Lucina II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Mak Duece ($420.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Me ($207.45 in chips)
Seat 3: curtains ($53.20 in chips)
Seat 4: bighurt010 ($127.05 in chips)
Seat 5: shimmyzoo ($215.15 in chips)
Seat 6: FGators26 ($189.70 in chips)
curtains: posts small blind $1
bighurt010: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Me[Kd 9s]
shimmyzoo: folds
FGators26: raises $6 to $8
Mak Duece: calls $8
Me: raises $22 to $30
curtains: folds
bighurt010: folds
FGators26: folds
Mak Duece: calls $22
*** FLOP *** [Tc 2c Jd]
Mak Duece: checks
Me: bets $44
Mak Duece: calls $44
*** TURN *** [Tc 2c Jd] [Ad]
Mak Duece: checks
Me: bets $133.45 and is all-in

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sauce123

07-13-2007, 08:03 PM

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very marginal on literally every street- id generally shy away from these plays at ur stakes as they dont have enough metagame value to make up for the variance/thin to negative EV they cause

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07-13-2007, 08:19 PM

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griffey24

07-13-2007, 08:24 PM

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I think its marginal. I think it potentially folds out KK/QQ.

I think there are a lot of hands that can get to this turn though that are calling you. AA obviously, AJ, KQ, AQclubs, AKclubs, JJ, 1010.

Even if you have a tight image, this is a good spot for you to squeeze, so Fgators may call you lighter than you'd think.

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freeucm

07-13-2007, 10:33 PM

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very nice.

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07-13-2007, 10:54 PM

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Why?

IowaSkinsFan

07-13-2007, 10:55 PM

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Question number 2

Was the Ace a good or bad card?

I think sauce's description is correct, but i'd like to hear what you'd do differently. Not cbet the flop? I think the play on it's own with no postflop value was +EV so I don't think I shouldn't squeeze.

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IowaSkinsFan

07-13-2007, 11:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

Note villain is a 60/12 or something like that so i'd expect his range on the flop to be a whole lot (A lot of pp's id think), and i'd expect to be beating him sometimes when he called (ie 89 Q9)

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sauce123

07-13-2007, 11:13 PM

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ur play preflop is particularly terrible vs a 60/12- and not marginal just spew

betting the flop is good

shoving the turn is very difficult to evaluate but i would guess its +ev against this player as opposed to check/folding- and the ace is a good card definitely

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IowaSkinsFan

07-14-2007, 12:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

ur play preflop is particularly terrible vs a 60/12- and not marginal just spew

I'd like to hear further reasoning on this because there are so many hands opp has to play oop that he will actually be behind with. Although I understand exploting this player isn't raising marginal hands preflop.

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07-14-2007, 02:02 AM

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Don't squeeze this player.

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sauce123

07-14-2007, 02:11 AM

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Reasons to squeeze:
1. you have a tight image
2. fgators opened and he opens relatively wide but doesnt call 3bets very wide
3. you think u can outplay him postflop
4. there is a 60/12 in the pot who probably has a weak hand
5. you probably can outplay a 60/12

Reasons not to squeeze:
1. You have K9o which plays terribly in a 3bet pot vs both of their ranges
2. Fgators is a thinking player
3. other player is a 60/12- 60/12s dont fold preflop often once they have called a raise
4. 60/12 has a 30% fold to cbet- meaning you will likely need either the best hand or invest ur stack to win a pot when called by 60/12

I think the reasons not to squeeze are more compelling than the reasons to squeeze-however ur play of this hand is by no means terrible just its going to give u sick variance and u can never KNOW that it is going to be +EV against either players range.

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07-14-2007, 06:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

2. Fgators is a thinking player

I hope this is a joke.

Anyways though, Everyone is right in saying that a squeeze is bad here because you're getting called a lot by the donk.

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Trikflow77

07-14-2007, 09:54 PM

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yeha i think the main thing you did wrong is try this vs a 60/12. They are calling, and callingyour flop bet a lot if they call the pre bet. I would prob shove the turn but its pretty thin, you kinda cornered yourself.

sauce123

07-15-2007, 03:25 AM

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dont listen to trikflow he plays micro stakes and his bankroll has remained at twelve dollars for my entire time at ftr-huge donk

I got more flava than fruitstripe gum

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