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Old 11-12-2008, 03:14 AM     Post subject: How bad is this 3-barrel? #1 (permalink)  
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 After 50 hands, villain is running 25/19. No other reads.
He snap called the flop, then called the turn after about 3 seconds.

BTN is slightly loose and folds too often to cbets.

I just can't see villain having a good enough hand here to call.

Am I repping too small of a range on the river?

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Stacks:
UTG ($668.00)
Hero ($618.95)
BTN ($665.45)
SB ($612.00)
BB ($600.00)

Pre-flop: ($9, 5 players) Hero is CO
UTG calls $6, Hero bets $27, BTN calls $27, 2 folds, UTG calls $21

Flop: ($90, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $62, BTN folds, UTG calls $62

Turn: ($214, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $156, UTG calls $156

River: ($526, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero goes all-in $373.95
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Old 11-12-2008, 03:24 AM #2 (permalink)  

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you've been aggressive the whole way. if you bet on the river what are you repping? i couldnt see you having the straight. could maybe see you having a flush if the river was a diamond?

im putting him on AJ? or maybe J and a higher kicker?
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Old 11-12-2008, 03:45 AM #3 (permalink)  
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im putting him on AJ? or maybe J and a higher kicker?
I really don't think a 25/19 has very many Jacks in his UTG limp range.
Actually, most 25/19's don't ever open-limp, so this is kinda a strange hand.
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im very much a noob, was just was wat i thought looking at it. would be curious to know what he did have and what other more experienced players think.
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Old 11-12-2008, 03:56 AM #5 (permalink)  
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you look like you have a busted draw or JJ,99,88 or a rare QT combo. So, it's an ez call for him.

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Old 11-12-2008, 04:41 AM #6 (permalink)  
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you look like you have a busted draw or JJ,99,88 or a rare QT combo. So, it's an ez call for him.
I'd like to think this can be much wider for value?

JJ,99,88,J9,J8, QQ,KK,AA, AJ,33,QT ...

I don't know. This is read dependent. If he's capable of making a river fold then I don't think its too bad. He'll have a tough call with 9T, JT, QJ, T8.

This really isn't a very good card to double barrel though. All those hands listed above are all calling this turn, so I think if you're gonna double this you should triple it. Otherwise just shut down after flop I'd imagine.
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 odd that a 25/19 open limp/called from utg. you think it was a misclick? like griff said, i just shut down after the flop. seems like a pretty bad card to continue on.
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you look like you have a busted draw or JJ,99,88 or a rare QT combo. So, it's an ez call for him.
I'd like to think this can be much wider for value?

JJ,99,88,J9,J8, QQ,KK,AA, AJ,33,QT ...
agreed, I really dont know what I was thinking at the time of my post.

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Old 11-12-2008, 12:52 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 i c/f flop most of the time but as played i like it. And lol at only repping a set+ here, he's way more likely to have AJ-AA
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 I hate to use a cliche, but if he's calling the turn isn't he calling that river? I'd also like to know what an UTG limp means before I try this.

And wtf are you doing at 3/6?? This means I have to start taking shots at 2/4 already.


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I hate to use a cliche, but if he's calling the turn isn't he calling that river? I'd also like to know what an UTG limp means before I try this.
I don't think he's calling the river just cause he called the turn.
On the turn, there are so many mid-pair + straight/flush draw type hands that are calling the turn a lot and most of these hands miss on the river.

I agree with Griffey that if I am going to double barrel here, then I have to triple and that was exactly my thoughts at the time.
The reason I doubled here was because he called the flop so fast, I put him on a draw or a weak made hand.

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And wtf are you doing at 3/6?? This means I have to start taking shots at 2/4 already.
Haha I've been playing 3/6 for a while now, but I am very stingy with table selection and there are hardly ever good tables running. At certain times of the day, there are actually zero 3/6 tables running.

I am going to be taking shots at 5/10 soon, so you better move up to 2/4 asap :P
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