He wouldn't do this with AA would he?

**Irisheyes** · 08-04-2006 05:35 PM

Villian is a solid TAG, 25/16 ish player. Haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary. I have reraised him pf maybe 3 times in the last hour on different tables. This is the first time he has played back.

I don't believe he has a monster. Agree?

***** Hand History for Game 4874990894 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 04, 13:23:07 ET 2006
Table Monster #1277489 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: macwsc8 ( $81.30 )
Seat 4: MUHawks11 ( $174.30 )
Seat 6: PostNoBills ( $530.19 )
Seat 3: lolYouFoldEZ ( $720.72 )
Seat 5: watler ( $296.80 )
Seat 2: planetenwill ( $88.30 )
MUHawks11 posts small blind [$2].
watler posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolYouFoldEZ [ Ad Kh ]
PostNoBills raises [$16]. UTG
macwsc8 folds.
planetenwill folds.
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$56]. BUTTON
MUHawks11 folds.
watler folds.
PostNoBills raises [$140].
lolYouFoldEZ ???

**gabe** · 08-04-2006 05:42 PM

he probably thinks you are reraising light since he saw you squeeze with J7s. but since he knows that you know that he knows this, maybe he would do it with AA?

**yorib** · 08-04-2006 05:52 PM

Do you want to play for stacks with, at best, a coin-flip hand? Figure he has TT+/AK (maybe AQs?), on a flop that you miss where he leads into you what do you do? If it's fold, then calling has to be -EV.

**Fnord** · 08-04-2006 06:04 PM

I have no problem laying down here.

**gabe** · 08-04-2006 06:06 PM

i think the original post leftout some important info about previous hands villian saw

**Irisheyes** · 08-04-2006 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by yorib

Do you want to play for stacks with, at best, a coin-flip hand? Figure he has TT+/AK (maybe AQs?), on a flop that you miss where he leads into you what do you do? If it's fold, then calling has to be -EV.

He could do this with any pair, 67s etc even Aj sometimes. Depends on his view of how light I can reraise. Put it this way, he could do this with AT and actually have the best hand alot.

But yeah, this is a push or fold situation I think. I'm not sure though because of the "only better hands will call" implications.

**Irisheyes** · 08-04-2006 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by gabe

i think the original post leftout some important info about previous hands villian saw

like what? Did I squeeze with J7s at this table?

**johnny_fish** · 08-04-2006 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

But yeah, this is a push or fold situation I think. I'm not sure though because of the "only better hands will call" implications.

That's why his bet is good (almost irrelevant of his actual hand).

**Irisheyes** · 08-04-2006 06:46 PM

This hand happend a little while before. ty Gabe

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($137.20)
Hero ($410)
UTG ($338.80)
MP ($138.02)
Button ($586.19)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

, J

. SB posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, MP calls $4, Button raises to $20, SB (poster) calls $18, Hero raises to $72, MP raises to $132, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls $56.

Flop: ($304) A

, 5

, 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP calls $6.02 (All-In).

Turn: ($317.02) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($317.02) 2

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $317.02

Results in white below:
Hero has 7s Js (one pair, fives).
MP has Th 6h (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $317.02.

**Irisheyes** · 08-04-2006 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by gabe

he probably thinks you are reraising light since he saw you squeeze with J7s. but since he knows that you know that he knows this, maybe he would do it with AA?

WOW I just realised why this hand is a whole lot more interesting then I origionally thought.

**gabe** · 08-04-2006 06:49 PM

this might be the first time ive ever gotten anyone to fold AK preflop headsup

**aislephive** · 08-04-2006 10:46 PM

Stacks are a tad bit deeper than normal, and he also raised UTG, so I think this a spot to lay down AK even though there's a decent chance you're laying down the best hand.

If you think he folds QQ/JJ/AK then it's a decent spot to move in, but if you think he will call with a wide range then it's probably a fold. I think it's very likely he has KK/QQ/AK here in particular.

**Lukie** · 08-05-2006 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Originally Posted by gabe

i think the original post leftout some important info about previous hands villian saw

like what? Did I squeeze with J7s at this table?

With the shorty open-limper and the shorty in the SB calling the pfr, this squeeze is just awful.

**Lukie** · 08-05-2006 04:05 PM

Irish,

In the original hand, I would usually just muck. I don't think one squeeze with suited/semi connected junk is reason enough to stack off with AK at over 130bb deep when you are facing a large preflop 4-bet. If you're very confident he doesn't have the dreaded KK/AA, push.

Does anybody like peeling a flop here? Irish is obviously over-repping his hand if he calls at this point, and a smart villain isn't going to auto c-bet the flop after Irish calls a big 4-bet.

**Irisheyes** · 08-05-2006 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Lukie

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Originally Posted by gabe

i think the original post leftout some important info about previous hands villian saw

like what? Did I squeeze with J7s at this table?

With the shorty open-limper and the shorty in the SB calling the pfr, this squeeze is just awful.

Ya I know. Silly me never looked at stacksizes.

08-04-2006 05:35 PM #1
Irisheyes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 4,391 Location over there	He wouldn't do this with AA would he? Villian is a solid TAG, 25/16 ish player. Haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary. I have reraised him pf maybe 3 times in the last hour on different tables. This is the first time he has played back. I don't believe he has a monster. Agree? *** Hand History for Game 4874990894 * $400 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 04, 13:23:07 ET 2006 Table Monster #1277489 (Real Money) Seat 3 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 1: macwsc8 ( $81.30 ) Seat 4: MUHawks11 ( $174.30 ) Seat 6: PostNoBills ( $530.19 ) Seat 3: lolYouFoldEZ ( $720.72 ) Seat 5: watler ( $296.80 ) Seat 2: planetenwill ( $88.30 ) MUHawks11 posts small blind [$2]. watler posts big blind [$4]. Dealing down cards Dealt to lolYouFoldEZ [ Ad Kh ] PostNoBills raises [$16]. UTG macwsc8 folds. planetenwill folds. lolYouFoldEZ raises [$56]. BUTTON MUHawks11 folds. watler folds. PostNoBills raises [$140].** lolYouFoldEZ ???

Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 05:42 PM #2
gabe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 12,344 Location trying to live	he probably thinks you are reraising light since he saw you squeeze with J7s. but since he knows that you know that he knows this, maybe he would do it with AA?

Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 05:52 PM #3
yorib View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 306 Location Oak Park, IL	Do you want to play for stacks with, at best, a coin-flip hand? Figure he has TT+/AK (maybe AQs?), on a flop that you miss where he leads into you what do you do? If it's fold, then calling has to be -EV.

Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 06:04 PM #4
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	I have no problem laying down here.
	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 06:06 PM #5
gabe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 12,344 Location trying to live	i think the original post leftout some important info about previous hands villian saw

Reply With Quote

He wouldn't do this with AA would he?

Thread Tools

Display

He wouldn't do this with AA would he?

Posting Permissions

08-04-2006 06:38 PM #6
Irisheyes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 4,391 Location over there	Originally Posted by yorib Do you want to play for stacks with, at best, a coin-flip hand? Figure he has TT+/AK (maybe AQs?), on a flop that you miss where he leads into you what do you do? If it's fold, then calling has to be -EV. He could do this with any pair, 67s etc even Aj sometimes. Depends on his view of how light I can reraise. Put it this way, he could do this with AT and actually have the best hand alot. But yeah, this is a push or fold situation I think. I'm not sure though because of the "only better hands will call" implications.

Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 06:39 PM #7
Irisheyes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 4,391 Location over there	Originally Posted by gabe i think the original post leftout some important info about previous hands villian saw like what? Did I squeeze with J7s at this table?

Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 06:44 PM #8
johnny_fish View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 2,103 Location donkaments weeeeeeeeeeee	Originally Posted by Irisheyes But yeah, this is a push or fold situation I think. I'm not sure though because of the "only better hands will call" implications. That's why his bet is good (almost irrelevant of his actual hand).

Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 06:46 PM #9
Irisheyes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 4,391 Location over there	This hand happend a little while before. ty Gabe Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) saw flop\|saw showdown SB ($137.20) Hero ($410) UTG ($338.80) MP ($138.02) Button ($586.19) Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, J. SB posts a blind of $2. 1 fold, MP calls $4, Button raises to $20, SB (poster) calls $18, Hero raises to $72, MP raises to $132, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls $56. Flop: ($304) A, 5, 8 (2 players) Hero bets $7, MP calls $6.02 (All-In). Turn: ($317.02) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in) River: ($317.02) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: $317.02 Results in white below: Hero has 7s Js (one pair, fives). MP has Th 6h (one pair, fives). Outcome: Hero wins $317.02.

Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 06:47 PM #10
Irisheyes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 4,391 Location over there	Originally Posted by gabe he probably thinks you are reraising light since he saw you squeeze with J7s. but since he knows that you know that he knows this, maybe he would do it with AA? WOW I just realised why this hand is a whole lot more interesting then I origionally thought.

Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 06:49 PM #11
gabe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 12,344 Location trying to live	this might be the first time ive ever gotten anyone to fold AK preflop headsup

Reply With Quote

08-04-2006 10:46 PM #12
aislephive View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 1,549 Location Downswinging holla!	Stacks are a tad bit deeper than normal, and he also raised UTG, so I think this a spot to lay down AK even though there's a decent chance you're laying down the best hand. If you think he folds QQ/JJ/AK then it's a decent spot to move in, but if you think he will call with a wide range then it's probably a fold. I think it's very likely he has KK/QQ/AK here in particular.

Reply With Quote

08-05-2006 04:00 PM #13
Lukie View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 10,445 Location Never read any stickies or announcements	Originally Posted by Irisheyes Originally Posted by gabe i think the original post leftout some important info about previous hands villian saw like what? Did I squeeze with J7s at this table? With the shorty open-limper and the shorty in the SB calling the pfr, this squeeze is just awful.

Reply With Quote

08-05-2006 04:05 PM #14
Lukie View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 10,445 Location Never read any stickies or announcements	Irish, In the original hand, I would usually just muck. I don't think one squeeze with suited/semi connected junk is reason enough to stack off with AK at over 130bb deep when you are facing a large preflop 4-bet. If you're very confident he doesn't have the dreaded KK/AA, push. Does anybody like peeling a flop here? Irish is obviously over-repping his hand if he calls at this point, and a smart villain isn't going to auto c-bet the flop after Irish calls a big 4-bet.

Reply With Quote

08-05-2006 08:40 PM #15
Irisheyes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 4,391 Location over there	Originally Posted by Lukie Originally Posted by Irisheyes Originally Posted by gabe i think the original post leftout some important info about previous hands villian saw like what? Did I squeeze with J7s at this table? With the shorty open-limper and the shorty in the SB calling the pfr, this squeeze is just awful. Ya I know. Silly me never looked at stacksizes.

Reply With Quote