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donkbee
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10-08-2008, 07:05 AM
Post subject: gutshot and over pair w 77 ($50nl PS)
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I'd only been at the table for maybe 10 hands, so I didn't have any good reads on CO. In one hand that went to showdown, he called with 77 in the SB and checked a 33TJ5 board on all streets.
Is it bad to call here and see what he does on the turn? Should I be folding? It seems nitty to fold but I have no plan for later streets so I don't know.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($32.80)
SB ($7)
Hero (BB) ($97.25)
UTG ($56.90)
MP ($29.90)
CO ($90.15)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 , 7
2 folds, CO raises to $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50
Flop: ($6) 3, 4, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.25, CO raises to $8.50, 1 fold, Hero ...?
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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minSim
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I don't like your flop lead. I see where you come from with not wanting to give free cards, but imo the lead should only be made with a marginal hand when we're sure to fold to a raise.
With our gutshot here, our hand probably has too much equity to fold to most raises. (Especially this small one, but we didn't knew that before leading)
I would check flop. If CO bets he's repping a pretty strong range but we can call. (if SB raises we fold). Depending the turn card and betsizing we c/c or c/f.
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Galapogos
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Why did you lead the flop?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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donkbee
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I don't know! It wasn't because I didn't want to give free cards. I see how it put me in a dumb spot.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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kmind
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Yeah check flop but I don't see how we can fold or raise now so just call and see how the turn plays out
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Originally Posted by kmind
Yeah check flop but I don't see how we can fold or raise now so just call and see how the turn plays out
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I don't agree. You have only 5 clean outs that you're going to feel comfortable getting the money in with, and he's not going to give you a single dime if you hit any one of them. And you're almost never seeing the river for free once you call the flop.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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kmind
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True/good points
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nutsinho
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You guys are a bit deep so I'd definitely call and be flexible. By this I mean be prepared to turn your hand into a bluff when a deuce or a club comes because villain should consider that a bunch of your flop leading range consists of flush draws and hands with a 5 in them. It's going to be kind of annoying to make a bluff work oop after just calling the flop but I think between your pot equity and fold equity given stack depth you should call here. Next time don't lead the flop though!
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donkbee
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ok I won't lead the flop next time :P
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call and be flexible. By this I mean be prepared to turn your hand into a bluff when a deuce or a club comes because villain should consider that a bunch of your flop leading range consists of flush draws and hands with a 5 in them.
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this is good advice, thanks.
thanks everyone else too!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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mixchange
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definitely call and play some poker
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