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Old 07-09-2005, 03:36 AM     Post subject: good 'won @ showdown %' for 6max? my stats for checkup plz #1 (permalink)  
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current table is chatty and i asked two guys their won@showdown %, both said 75%

i thought 50-60 was good? Im on 57. My total stats (from my poker clients software)

(all for 6max NL)

No. of Games won: 6%
Showdowns won: 57%
No. of flops seen: 22%
Win% of flops seen: 25%

Actions:
Fold: 59%
Check: 23%
Call: 8%
Bet: 4%
Raise: 3%
Re-raise: 0%

Where i fold:
PF: 76%
Flop: 8%
Turn: 3%
River: 1%
No Fold: 9%

can anyone comment on my stats? I play .1/.2 and .15/.3 NL 6 MAX
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Old 07-12-2005, 03:51 PM #2 (permalink)  
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how many hands are those stats over?
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Old 07-12-2005, 07:38 PM     Post subject: Re: good 'won @ showdown %' for 6max? my stats for checkup p #3 (permalink)  
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No. of Games won: 6%
Showdowns won: 57%
No. of flops seen: 22%
Win% of flops seen: 25%

Actions:
Fold: 59%
Check: 23%
Call: 8%
Bet: 4%
Raise: 3%
Re-raise: 0%

Where i fold:
PF: 76%
Flop: 8%
Turn: 3%
River: 1%
No Fold: 9%

can anyone comment on my stats? I play .1/.2 and .15/.3 NL 6 MAX
OK dude, without even knowing how many hands you have counted here, you gotta get the friggin guns off the rack and into play. 22% is tight for full ring 10max, at 6max, it's ROCK SOLID. I mean, my keyboard is freezing right now because I'm just replying to your ice cold stats. Get that up into the low 30s for starters, 6 MAX should be seeing a lot more action than you are right now. If I saw an OPP at a table that only saw 2 flops every 10 I would bet and bet and bet and bet and bet until he was dead.

Also, you're betting 4% of the time pre flop. Stop that. Right now. Start betting just for betting sake. Pick a hand, like 10/5 unsuited (as per 'rilla's instructions) and just start raising with it from any position, every time. Get that bitch up to 10% just for the exercise of it and you'll loosen up enough to start being comforable at playing shorthanded. Nuance. Flow. Feel it.

I play $100/200NL and have a range of about 35-45% of flops seen. post flop play is of utmost importance in shorthanded since you end up heads up so much of the time. bet hard preflop to isolate, then put your OPP on a hand and act accordingly. Or flop nuts, whichever is easier for you.

Alternatively, you could immediately switch to 10 MAX, triple that PreFlopRaise to 8-10% and KILL without making any mods at all to your starting hand selection. So take that FWIW. If you hadn't told me 6MAX before seeing these stats I would not have believed you.
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Old 07-12-2005, 07:48 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Add a little preflop re-raises to the mix as well, pp tens and higher as well as AK and AQ can all be re-raises at 6max.
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:49 AM #5 (permalink)  
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cheers guys, stats are since 16th Jun, maybe 10-20k hands. I've never played 10handed ring before but my gamestyle is blatently suited towards that, I was just scared to move there from 6 incase my results changed.

I'm evolving my game to incoporate more pfr with questionable hands for steals/bluffs if needed (KTs, ATo etc) from the button and c/o when its folded around - whereas before I would of ditched these. Im also going to ACT on my reads more
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Old 08-04-2005, 04:49 AM #6 (permalink)  
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75% win% at showdown is far too high. It means that you most likely folding too many winning hands.

25% win% of flops seen is also very low, do you never steal, bet position etc? For 6-max this number should probably be at least 35%.

3% raise is also very low.
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Old 08-04-2005, 08:50 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I dunno about some of the analysis of his stats. I'm a winning player (at least my bankroll seems to keep growing lol), at high stakes and these are my stats.

My showdown win % is 80% (well in the last 821 hands). And I'm a pretty liberal player (I pay a lot of people off with less than decent holdings). I dont think that a high number here is bad, I mean I dont think I'm folding too many winners, I think I just have a good sense of when I'm beat.

My seen flop % is 29%.

My win % if flop seen is 42%. I guess I do a fair amount of stealing and continuation betting.

All these figures are for 6-max with a little bit of 10-max mixed in (I think like 50 hands or something).


So I think the main thing I can recommend is loosen up somewhat (get to 26% in that dept.), and raise a bit more (maybe 8%) and you should be fine at your stakes.
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Old 08-04-2005, 09:39 AM #8 (permalink)  
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My showdown win % is 80% (well in the last 821 hands). And I'm a pretty liberal player (I pay a lot of people off with less than decent holdings).
821 hands is too small of a sample size for drawing any conclusions and you know it!

Lets assume your number of games won is 8% thus higher than his 6%. Then you would have won 0.08*821 ~ 65 hands. Probably less than half of those would go to a showdown?

Does 30 showdowns sound like a good sample size?

As for myself, after 120k hands my win% at SD is 56.18%.

In poker you will be in a lot of situations where calling a river bet is correct even when you give yourself way less than 50% chance to win due to pot odds. I find it hard to believe that a solid player could keep a win % at showdown of 80% in the long term.
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My showdown win % is 80% (well in the last 821 hands). And I'm a pretty liberal player (I pay a lot of people off with less than decent holdings).
821 hands is too small of a sample size for drawing any conclusions and you know it!

Lets assume your number of games won is 8% thus higher than his 6%. Then you would have won 0.08*821 ~ 65 hands. Probably less than half of those would go to a showdown?

Does 30 showdowns sound like a good sample size?

As for myself, after 120k hands my win% at SD is 56.18%.

In poker you will be in a lot of situations where calling a river bet is correct even when you give yourself way less than 50% chance to win due to pot odds. I find it hard to believe that a solid player could keep a win % at showdown of 80% in the long term.
OK OK so I'm too cheap to buy PokerTracker, and your probably right about 821 being too small a sample size heh
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OK OK so I'm too cheap to buy PokerTracker, and your probably right about 821 being too small a sample size heh
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OK OK so I'm too cheap to buy PokerTracker, and your probably right about 821 being too small a sample size heh
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I only have a $500 BR and I thought I was being cheap not buying it. Im waiting till Ive got a job but wats 50 bucks to you... buy it your crazy if you dont, i wish i could but i REALLY cant afford it
I'm a little OCD when it comes to money and how I spend it. I will never pay a dime for movies or music, and instead always download them off the internet. Same thing with Pokertracker, I just dont want to give my money for some program.
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I'm a little OCD when it comes to money and how I spend it. I will never pay a dime for movies or music, and instead always download them off the internet. Same thing with Pokertracker, I just dont want to give my money for some program.
You're wasting more money not buying it. If the information it gives helps you win one pot, its paid for itself many times over. If I knew you in real life, I'd go buy a big rubber dildo and slap you in the face with it.

Ok, maybe I wouldn't, but still I highly recommend pokertracker.
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Old 08-05-2005, 03:25 PM #13 (permalink)  
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you know how they interview final table players for WPT shows to add 'flavor' as commerical bumper material? there is always someone who claims that they've never read a book and are 'self-taught.' when spino1i makes a final table, he just wants to be able to say 'i don't use poker tracker.'

since you're into free shit and small sample sizes, spino1i, at least go get the demo, it's good for 1000 hands
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