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Old 07-19-2008, 02:34 PM     Post subject: Good spot for this bluff? #1 (permalink)  
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I've been trying to find the best spots to get aggressive. I think in some recent sessions I pushed that envelope a little too far. Anyway: villain is a 50 NL reg, standard TAggy stats preflop, slightly open 3-bet (runs about 7% over 200 hands). His post-flop aggression is about standard and he doesn't often get out of line - seems like the kind of guy who prides himself on making good decisions.

In this session I've done nothing, played only two hands and folded both of them on the flop, so I have no table image to speak of; if he's using a HUD or recognizes me though, he may know I lean LAgg.

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Hero ($99.25)
SB ($51.75)
BB ($135.55)
UTG ($56.65)
MP ($90.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with .
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, BB raises to $7, Hero calls $5.50.

Flop: ($14.25) :Ts: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($14.25) :Js: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.5, BB calls $8.50.

River: ($31.25) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $25...
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Old 07-19-2008, 02:41 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Another bluff, different villain. This guy is LAgg for sure, raises almost 30% of his hands, c-bets close to 100% over a pretty good sample. He also steals blinds at any opportunity. I 3-bet this type really light as a rule, but since we're somewhat deep and I have a hand he won't generally expect me to have, I thought I'd take a flop and see what happened. Flop check-raise is a standard "I'm guessing this scares many of your hands, so let's see if I can steal the pot from you." Is giving it up after that the right decision? I don't feel like the turn card helps my range as much as it helps his, after he calls the raise.

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Hero ($99.25)
UTG ($52.25)
MP ($135.55)
Button ($64.30)
SB ($72.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with .
2 folds, Button raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.75) :Jc: :Qd: :Ah: (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.5, Hero raises to $8, Button calls $5.50.

Turn: ($19.75) :Ac: (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $13.5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $19.75
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:02 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 1st hand: The bluffs is good, but fold preflop no doubt.

2nd hand: No, this is not a good flop raise, you don't have a draw and opps range isnt that weak, and yours is super weak.
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Old 07-19-2008, 03:44 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1st hand: The bluffs is good, but fold preflop no doubt.
Even 200 BBs deep against someone 3-betting kind of light, with a high implied odds type of hand, in position? I'd be curious if everyone agrees with that. I generally don't flat 3-bets (mostly fold to them) but this seemed like a decent spot to see a flop.

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2nd hand: No, this is not a good flop raise, you don't have a draw and opps range isnt that weak, and yours is super weak.
Fair enough. It didn't go my way obviously so I guess I have to agree!
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Old 07-19-2008, 04:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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hand 1: preety terrible board to bluff on imo, you definitely made the wise choice to not continue with the bluff.

hand 2: i like as he has ak, aq so often here or just underpiars like 99-55. all of these he has to fold to your riverbet. If he showed up with ak/aq spades it sucks.
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Old 07-19-2008, 04:37 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 i know it doesn't really need to be said but you really a) don't need to be making plays like this to beat 50nl, and b) probably can't profitably make plays like this at 50nl even if you wanted to.

I was coaching euph during a 50nl session, and we found a neato spot to turn our hand into a bluff on the turn vs a villain's second barrel. Villain was a nit over several thousand hands. Long story short he had TPWK and didn't fold.
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Old 07-19-2008, 04:39 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 also, deep stacks aren't a license to play incredibly bad hands vs incredibly strong ranges in position, or incredibly bad hands vs incredibly wide ranges out of position.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:42 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 seems like the flop is the best place to be on hand 1
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