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Happy Jones
Old 10-29-2006, 12:02 AM     Post subject: Good KK fold? #1 (permalink)  

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Alright Im pretty sure I know the answer to this.
Early in my playing time no reads on villian. Button seems a bit aggressive so far raising preflop quite often.

Pacific Poker ($200NL)
Hero is SB dealt [Ks, Kh] ($198)
Button ($316)
Villain (CO) ($166)

Preflop:
UTG folds
MP folds
CO calls $2
BN raises to $8
Hero Reraises to $18 (Should have went to $25)
BB folds
CO Reraises to $166
BN folds
Hero...?

What do you think?
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apunisher
Old 10-29-2006, 12:20 AM #2 (permalink)  
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No, i dont think i could ever fold this in a 3handed game
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Old 10-29-2006, 12:51 AM #3 (permalink)  
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It's not three handed.

But regardless, don't fold without a read.
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Old 10-29-2006, 01:47 AM #4 (permalink)  
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my bad, didn't see action, just saw the stack sizes, i still dont fold this either
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Old 10-29-2006, 04:28 AM #5 (permalink)  

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I had been playing at that table for about ten hands before and villain had shown no aggression or looseness.
I just couldnt put him on anything but AA.
A call then all-in raise after two reraises is almost always a KK or AA in my experience.
What else do you think he could have?
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Old 10-29-2006, 04:35 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 its a good fold. u see AA there like every time.
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Old 10-29-2006, 04:48 AM #7 (permalink)  
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i played 200NLHE where the guy did this with AKs
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Old 10-29-2006, 05:05 AM #8 (permalink)  
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its a good fold. u see AA there like every time.
So Im not going to find a hand in my databse where he has something other than AA? With 10 hands at the table you cannot fold this, you are giving up so much by doing this. JJ or QQ? Yea, I probably fold those, but here Im pushing simply because Ive seen a limp reraise with AJo and tons of random shit.
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Old 10-29-2006, 07:05 AM #9 (permalink)  

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I've never ever folded KK preflop and I never will. You will lose too much EV long term you're prepared to lay them down preflop.

You want to get as much money in as fast as possible with KK.
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Old 10-29-2006, 07:09 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 wow, i could never fold KK preflop six handed. And i don't think this looks like only AA. I see people do this with mid pp's, and other garbage. Why would someone raise 150 with such a good hand, they are losing tremendous value. I'm not saying he doesn't have AA, it's just not certain that he does. Not at all
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Old 10-29-2006, 01:54 PM #11 (permalink)  

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I asked him after the hand what he had and he told me 72. Asked him again and he said AA, asked him a third time and he told me AA. Although this is irrevelant cause he could easily be lieing it puts me a bit at ease.
I have been in plenty of AA vs KK hands and this one seemed like it was one of them.
Also keep in mind the position of the raises.
If he did have AJ0 or AKs hed raise from CO. Then a reraise from the small blind would almost definietely not provoke him into pushing with junk. I could only put him on AA or QQ and it seemed more probable that he had me beat.
To me my percentages came up in my head as:
AA- 70%
QQ- 20%
Anything else (bluff) - 10%
Considering I only had $18 in this pot I just thought Id drop it rather than play it.
Id definetly like to here some comments from players who have folded KK before.

Thanks for the replies.
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