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phantom_lord
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08-19-2007, 04:28 AM
Post subject: "Good day to be alive Sir, Good day to be alive" h
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dublin
Posts: 349
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villain is a reg from another forum i post on, usually plays 200 but is running bad, i have him as 24/12/1.8, raises c-bets a lot, we played a similiar hand last night, where i raised pf, c-bet a two tone 224 board, he made it 20, i made it 60 and he said folded 10s.
pretty sure he had air in the last hand, and don't expect him to have anything here, i'm kinda hoping he does a sick 3bet bluff...
so i go for a reverse yeti?
Noble Poker 0.50/1.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker
saw flop | saw showdown
Button phantom_lord ($158.65)
SB ($12.90)
BB BB ($191.85)
UTG ($275.38)
UTG+1 ($181.55)
CO ($108.70)
Preflop: phantom_lord is on the Button with Q  K 
3 folds, phantom_lord raises to 4.00, 1 fold, BB calls 3.00.
Flop (8.50) Q  Q Q
BB checks, phantom_lord bets 7.00, BB raises to 20.00, phantom_lord raises to 53.00,
thoughts? i made it 60 total, the converter is weird.
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EzDuzIt
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i think you should just call and let him hit a boat which he will probably stack off with or just for him to think he can bluff you off on the turn or river which imo is a lot more probable then him shoving over this as a bluff on the flop.
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snowbird4life
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
i think you should just call and let him hit a boat which he will probably stack off with or just for him to think he can bluff you off on the turn or river which imo is a lot more probable then him shoving over this as a bluff on the flop.
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Don't count on a sick 3 bet bluff by villain lol, even given the history which is at best being really hopeful. Just play it standard.
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phantom_lord
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just play it like i have a Q?
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EzDuzIt
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Originally Posted by phantom_lord
just play it like i have a Q?
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more hands than just a Q would do that.
and most villans are never going to give you credit for quads anyways.
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|~|ypermegachi
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i think i like the 3bet.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
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I just call. He wont stack off without a high PP anyway and high PPs dont have many scare cards. let him fire again when an A or K doesnt hit.
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|~|ypermegachi
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4-of-a-Kind
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the problem with calling is it make your hand face up. "you have a pocket pair...oh wait, you raised me on the turn, i can't call without AA/KK"
3betting the flop puts a bluff in your range.
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
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Your read says he'll raise c-bets lightly, but you do really think he is capable of bluffing a 150+bbs eff stack off?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Ash256
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I think it's awesome.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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IMO he won't have 10-10+, since he didn't 3bet preflop. Therefore if he does have a pocket pair he probably isn't going to put another bet in on the turn/river, because it is probably a small one.
Given the fact that villain is aggressive postflop (frequently raises c-bets), a 4bet bluff is at least possible.
Basically, since we most likely won't be able to get a weaker made hand to put more money in the pot, and the fact that this player is aggressive postflop, a 3bet by Hero is probably the best way to maximize EV.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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EzDuzIt
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lol by calling we dont make our hand face up. a queen could do anything here anyways. and we could be calling with more than just a big pp here.
lets not forget that the villan probably sucks and isnt a good hand reader anyways.
also what reason do we have to think that he will bluff? hes a passive player 24/12/1.8 and the other hand we had on him said that he folded 1010 on 244 to a reraise. doesnt seem like the type to 4bet bluff here lol.
and if he is just raising you lightly here i think there is a lot higher chance he continues with it if you just call compared to the small chance of him 4betting this really lightly. also i think he calls down a lot more lightly if we just calls this flop compared to what he is going to call this 3bet with.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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I actually like a small 3-bet since he's not continuing with anything but pp's on the turn anyway. He'll be hard pressed to fold a boat and eventually find himself really pot commited.
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phantom_lord
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
lol by calling we dont make our hand face up. a queen could do anything here anyways. and we could be calling with more than just a big pp here.
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yeah, but i think if i raise he's gonna give me less respect, and certainly take the q out of my range,
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lets not forget that the villan probably sucks and isnt a good hand reader anyways.
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nah he's good.
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also what reason do we have to think that he will bluff? hes a passive player 24/12/1.8 and the other hand we had on him said that he folded 1010 on 244 to a reraise. doesnt seem like the type to 4bet bluff here lol.
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he's more agro than those stats suggest, at least in spots where he can take down pots with aggression. he didn't fold 1010 in that other hand, he said he did! i think he's capable of a bluff here.
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and if he is just raising you lightly here i think there is a lot higher chance he continues with it if you just call compared to the small chance of him 4betting this really lightly. also i think he calls down a lot more lightly if we just calls this flop compared to what he is going to call this 3bet with.
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in the other hands where he raised my cbet he just gave up on the turn and river. i think a small chance of him shoving here is worth sacrificing the chance of getting AT MOST another bet from him if i just call.
he hasn't got 1010+ here since he just called pf, and he's not some random stooopid fish who i'm gonna zeebo pwn when he can't fold 55 or something.
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phantom_lord
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
3betting the flop puts a bluff in your range.
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exactly!
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snowbird4life
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I mostly agree with what Zeroskill said, "IMO he won't have 10-10+, since he didn't 3bet preflop. Therefore if he does have a pocket pair he probably isn't going to put another bet in on the turn/river, because it is probably a small one. " (if any pp).
My point is that: is he going to continue with his bluff? Do you think hes capable of 4bet bluffing bc he thinks your 3 bet bluffing? It seems pretty likely he is not on that solid of a hand so why 3bet him? Why not let him hang himself on the turn? I just think your going to get more value by calling than 3betting and hopeing for a 4bet bluff. Just because 3betting the flop puts a slight chance of some sort of bluff in your range, doesn't mean hes going to have the balls to 4bet bluff with air. I think the real question is if you are almost sure he is capable and will likely 4bet bluff. If your sure of this (seems unlikely) than this is fine. Otherwise, i think you get more value by just calling.
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phantom_lord
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Flush
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he timed down and typed "will u fold to an ai" before folding.
as it happened he posted up the hand at the same time on another forum!
it's down atm so i can't quote what he said exactly. but it was along the lines that he thought i was making a move and he should have shoved, and actually regretted that he didn't.
i think if he hadn't been running bad and had been a bit more confident i could have gotten his stack here, esp. since he never figured me for a q.
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