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Warpe
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07-06-2007, 07:46 PM
Post subject: Getting complicated w/TT
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No real reads, BB is fairly new to table. I was sitting out and missed the hand he doubled up on:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($44.85)
SB ($13.65)
BB ($97.90)
Hero ($59.30)
MP ($10)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with T , T .
Hero raises to $2.25, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $2, BB raises to $6.5, Hero ???
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NLHE lahooozaher
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set mine, I'm going to say this isn't a squeeze given the very small reraise.
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Warpe
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises to $2.25, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $2, BB raises to $6.5, Hero calls $3.75, MP calls $3.75, SB raises to $12, BB raises to $24.5, Hero ???
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holdin2
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Preflop: Hero is UTG with T , T .
Hero raises to $2.25, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $2, BB raises to $6.5, Hero calls $3.75, MP calls $3.75, SB raises to $12, BB raises to $24.5, Hero ???
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Looks like an easy fold to me.
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Da GOAT
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i still call, i see small stacks still call PF instead of shoving and if they do and BB calls your still getting set odds.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
i still call, i see small stacks still call PF instead of shoving and if they do and BB calls your still getting set odds.
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the problem is you're not closing the action. SB already CC/4bet...you can't rule out a shove.
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Da GOAT
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didnt see the added PF part, thought warpe was pasting it again to point out shorties
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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|~|ypermegachi
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lol, i didn't see SB only had $13...MP has $10. so we actually do close the action...
still don't think we can call. i'd rather push than call here....which means i fold.
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Da GOAT
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easy fold then in the end
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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IowaSkinsFan
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nh and yeah fold.
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Warpe
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I shoved.
Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises to $2.25, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $2, BB raises to $6.5, Hero calls $3.75, MP calls $3.75, SB raises to $12, BB raises to $24.5, Hero raises to $65.3 (All-In), MP calls $4 (All-In), SB calls $3.90 (All-In),
BB: Damn!!!!
BB has 15 seconds left to act
BB calls $41.30.
Flop: ($156.50) 7, 9 , 8 (4 players, 3 all-in)
Turn: ($156.50) 7 (4 players, 3 all-in)
River: ($156.50) 2 (4 players, 3 all-in)
Final Pot: $156.50
Results in white below:
BB has Ah Kh (one pair, sevens).
Hero has Ts Td (two pair, tens and sevens).
MP has As Jh (one pair, sevens).
SB has Js Ac (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $156. BB wins $0.49.
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warpe- dont be results oriented
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by sauce123
warpe- dont be results oriented
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I'm not. Think about it. We're obviously felting against the shorties, so the only one we're worried about is BB, and his preflop betting pattern makes no sense for an overpair. That's what occurred to me at the time anyway.
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JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by sauce123
warpe- dont be results oriented
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I'm not. Think about it. We're obviously felting against the shorties, so the only one we're worried about is BB, and his preflop betting pattern makes no sense for an overpair. That's what occurred to me at the time anyway. |
Reraising at every juncture in a multiway pot doesn't make sense for an overpair? Huh?
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yeah, i don't see how you can rule out overpairs from BB's preflop action.
anyways, if we were BB with AK, are we snap calling? should we be discounting outs?
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I LOVE IT
GAMB00000000000L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
Reraising at every juncture in a multiway pot doesn't make sense for an overpair? Huh?
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It doesn't make sense to make a weaksauce 3-bet followed by a 5-bet minraise holding an overpair with that much dead money in the pot. If he has an overpair he's playing it very badly.
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
yeah, i don't see how you can rule out overpairs from BB's preflop action.
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No, I agree, we can't rule them out completely.
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
anyways, if we were BB with AK, are we snap calling? should we be discounting outs?
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I don't know if discounting his outs occurred to him at the time but it did to me.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
GAMB00000000000L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Exactly. By the time the action gets back to me the pot's too bloated to fold a good made hand. We have to gamble here unless we're absolutely sure BB has us beat.
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