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Reidak

06-13-2007, 02:59 PM Post subject: Getting better use out of my HUD

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Right now I feel that im only using the bare minimum potential of my HUD.

VPIP PFR
AGR HANDS

Thats my setup. I was thinking of adding in some cold calls PF/flop/turn because its one of those things that you don't notice yourself. I think they would help me in scoping out people who are making alot of cold calls, and the ones who dont but if they do i know somethings up.

thats my thinking, it might be wrong but thats why im posting this.

cbet/raise cbet/fold cbet looks tasty also

What things are you guys using, and why, and how is it helping?

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06-13-2007, 03:08 PM

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WTSD is a good number to exploit.

Reidak

06-13-2007, 03:11 PM

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Ok this is what i wanted to hear, however how would i interpret the numbers?

I guess a low wtsd would force more folds to river bets and a higher one would call for more?

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06-13-2007, 03:12 PM

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VPIP, PFR are both essential, flop/turn/river/total aggression (some get really passive on certain streets), do cbet/fold cbet/raise cbet are sexy, W$@S (which, noticing the post above, I was just using as a proxy for WTSD) can be helpful, fold flop/fold turn/fold river can also help over long term.

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stuck

06-13-2007, 03:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jishu

Ok this is what i wanted to hear, however how would i interpret the numbers?

I guess a low wtsd would force more folds to river bets and a higher one would call for more?

A low WTSD means he's only going to showdown with the goods (so you can bluff him out of pots a bit more), a high WTSD means you can value bet him into oblivion

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bode

06-13-2007, 03:16 PM

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bode is an unknown quantity at this point

i use:

vp$ip/pft/af (totoal)
cbet %/folds cbet/hands

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06-13-2007, 03:19 PM

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Quote:

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Ok this is what i wanted to hear, however how would i interpret the numbers?

I guess a low wtsd would force more folds to river bets and a higher one would call for more?

against lower WTSD numbers you can cbet and double barrel lighter.

Pelion

06-13-2007, 04:05 PM

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I copied my stats from a video i saw and havnt quite figured out how to use them yet but theyre definatly better than I used to have.

I have 3 groups of stats. Group 1 is above the player name (or below). Group 2 is to one side. Group 3 is to the other.

Group 1: VPIP/PFR/Agg frequency/ AF

Im not quite sure how to use AGG frequency different to AF yet. still working that one out.

Group 2:

Fold Big Blind Fold to Cbet
Attempt to Steal Raise Cbet
Cold Call Pre Cbet
C/R Turn Cbet turn (i.e. second barrel %)

Group 3: Went to SD
Won @ SD
Hands

Its alot of stats but if you mess about with the font sizes you can get it to fit in quite neatly (I only 4 table). If you want to add alot of stats I would definatly recommend getting some custom skins. I use a fairly blank table from pokermods.com and I turn the player models off so they dont get in the way.

All of the group 2 stats have proved to be very helpful. I havnt really used group 3 that much yet but im working on it.

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Pelion

06-13-2007, 04:09 PM

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Quote:

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A low WTSD means he's only going to showdown with the goods (so you can bluff him out of pots a bit more), a high WTSD means you can value bet him into oblivion

K i get that. What is a high number? What is a low number? I think its somewhere around 50-55% breakpoint in a 6max NL game but Im not sure enough to colour code it yet.

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Halv

06-13-2007, 07:15 PM

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WTSD I'd say 30+ as a default calling station indicator. If he has loose preflop stats then 25+ will do.

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06-13-2007, 07:41 PM

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oops i meant 50-55 for W$SD

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Halv

06-13-2007, 08:13 PM

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The problem with W$SD is that you need a pretty big sample of hands for it to be accurate, since it depends so much on how you're running. I'd want at least 10k hands before I start looking at W$SD and BB/100, and even that is too soon imho.

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Pelion

06-13-2007, 08:34 PM

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Yea I dont do much with it unless I have a few hundred hands and its REALLLLY extreme.

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flyingPenguin

06-14-2007, 02:48 AM

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I use "folds cbet"/"folds turn"/"folds river". If opp has a low folds c-bet and a high folds turn I do more second barrels against them.

I'll be adding cbet and cbet turn soon I think. They should be useful for thinking about steals or playing weaker hands more aggressively.

When I move back to a level where opps are trying to steal c-bets all the time (like they were at Full Tilt $50NL) I'll think about adding things like check/raise flop.

benny999

06-14-2007, 03:30 AM

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i'm experimenting with not overlaying the stats as i play, and just watching the flow.
this helps me think more deeply...like, "he's on monkey tilt now"...or, "looks like he's tightening up"

if i have no idea about someone, i click them for pop-up stats.
the one i use most besides the standard vpip/pfr/#hands, are the ones showing c-bet tendencies.
for example, vs someone who c-bets 90%, i raise or float them more.
against someone calling c-bets to much, i'll fire more on the turn/river, as long as they can fold.

i find aggro factor the least useful, because from what i understand, it requires a large sample, and even then doesn't indicate how they play very well...just of all the types of hands/situations, how often they raise vs call.

Jimmy Mac

06-14-2007, 04:33 PM

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I just have the big four on the screen all the time (VP$IP, PFR, aggression, hands). Then I have all the detailed stats in the pop up window on PAHUD. Everytime I get in a hand with someone, I just pop up their menu. I pay special attention to the c-bet numbers, and bet/raise by street.

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