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Old 04-15-2008, 06:05 PM     Post subject: Gay 2/4 turn spot and two goofy 3/6 hands #1 (permalink)  
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 1. Notice stacks. Villain is a good reg running 25/21/3.6 over 400 hands. he 3bets a lot o.o.p.

Seat 1: sepnewsr75 ($232.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Hyi_Vam ($767.10 in chips)
Seat 3: eddiep20 ($230.30 in chips)
Seat 4: NiaMeR ($400 in chips)
Seat 5: nutsinho ($731.80 in chips)
sepnewsr75: posts small blind $2
Hyi_Vam: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nutsinho [Jh Jd]
eddiep20: folds
NiaMeR: folds
nutsinho: raises $8 to $12
sepnewsr75: folds
Hyi_Vam: raises $32 to $44
nutsinho: calls $32
*** FLOP *** [2h 8c 5c]
Hyi_Vam: bets $60
nutsinho: calls $60
*** TURN *** [2h 8c 5c] [2d]
Hyi_Vam: bets $160
nutsinho: hates poker


2. Yay a value bluff. I am fresh at this table and have never played vs this villain before. He made this same 31$ bet size as a cbet in a hu pot vs me an orbit ago, and i called him with 44 on a K62 flop, which got shown down after 4 checks and lost to his rivered pair with JTo. The thing i think is interesting about this hand is his turn bet size, which makes it fairly obvious he's not looking to get all-in, though he's still pretty likely to have a queen of some sort i think. Do yall like this better than c/c turn c/f river?

Seat 1: BDSlinger ($367.65 in chips)
Seat 2: BadHopes ($788.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Cashnotax ($600 in chips)
Seat 4: JEM87 ($723 in chips)
Seat 5: nutsinho ($717 in chips)
Seat 6: VLfreq ($602.15 in chips)
JEM87: posts small blind $3
nutsinho: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nutsinho [Ts Th]
VLfreq: raises $9 to $15
BDSlinger: folds
BadHopes: folds
Cashnotax: calls $15
JEM87: folds
nutsinho: calls $9
*** FLOP *** [8s 5h Qc]
nutsinho: checks
VLfreq: checks
Cashnotax: bets $31
nutsinho: calls $31
VLfreq: folds
*** TURN *** [8s 5h Qc] [6c]
nutsinho: checks
Cashnotax: bets $66
nutsinho: raises $108 to $174
Cashnotax: calls $108
*** RIVER *** [8s 5h Qc 6c] [6s]
nutsinho: bets $497 and is all-in

3. Sometimes i play goofy. Villain is ok reg i think, don't know much about him. I attempted to make all of my actions in this hand take less than 2 seconds and I think i was successful. I also have a very splashy image because of the recent TT hand, where my hand was shown at the end(not saying if i got called or not).

Seat 2: BadHopes ($791.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Cashnotax ($386 in chips)
Seat 4: JEM87 ($738.75 in chips)
Seat 5: nutsinho ($931 in chips)
Seat 6: VLfreq ($578.15 in chips)
JEM87: posts small blind $3
nutsinho: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nutsinho [Kd Ah]
VLfreq: folds
BadHopes: raises $12 to $18
Cashnotax: folds
ChipUniter joins the table at seat #1
JEM87: folds
nutsinho: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [8h 5s Ad]
nutsinho: checks
BadHopes: bets $24
nutsinho: raises $54 to $78
BadHopes: calls $54
*** TURN *** [8h 5s Ad] [Qd]
nutsinho: checks
BadHopes: checks
*** RIVER *** [8h 5s Ad Qd] [Ks]
nutsinho: checks
BadHopes: bets $100
nutsinho: raises $374 to $474
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Old 04-15-2008, 06:28 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: Call but my thinking is we should've raised the flop. I probably call a lot of rivers too.

Hand 2: Don't like it.

Hand 3: Seems good but i threebet most of the time pre.
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Old 04-15-2008, 06:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 - super read dependent. I don't mind the flop call and sometimes calling turn and sometimes folding depending on double barrel frequencies.

Hand 2- after he calls the turn I'd say he's not folding any made hand, or the only hand he is folding is clubs. I doubt he's folding Qx here. I'd rather c/c than bomb to catch his missed draws.

Hand 3 - yah I like this once in a while. I'd prob lead river, cause once he checks turn not sure if he's betting again.
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:46 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Call. River decision could be really tough, history and your image should inform it.

Hand 2: Fine. Very tough call for Qx imo.

Hand 3: Weird. Your line makes little sense but this is still a really hard call for Ax. Don't know what he would be vbetting on the river. Weird.
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 Hand 1: So read and flow dependent. I'm definitely calling turn and the river I just go with feeling.

Hand 2: Don't like so much against unknowns but it looks like it worked. I'm probably check/folding the turn.

Hand 3: Turn check is OK but I would just value bet the river. Very few value bet A10+ here but would call with it. This looks a lot like a split.
 
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Old 04-15-2008, 10:12 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand #1: I call or fold depending on reads of his post-flop 3-bet pot play. If he 3-bets a lot I'm sure he can't be a stranger to 3 barrelling with air.

Hand #2: I think this is too spewy. Once he calls the turn he's very likely to have at least top pair. Plus he raised UTG preflop so his range is even more weighted to good hands. And that river's not likely to make him think his hand got even worse. So basically, if draws did call, you're beating them on the river anyway.

Hand #3: I like it because you look so full of shit. I'd like to use it on someone I knew could read hands very well and was capable of making lighter calls though.


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. Plus he raised UTG preflop so his range is even more weighted to good hands.
Nah, wrong guy. Would YOU call down with QJ here? I don't get how this is a situation where people are always calling river just cause they called turn and most semibluffs didnt get there. What's my range?
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Hand 1: I call the turn and would call most likely all river bets but I would feel sick if he pushes the river given our stack size.

Hand 2: Is fine with reads but against unknowns I rather c/call turn and c/fold river.

Hand 3: I like. Most of the times I'm 3-betting but against a regular UTG raiser I often just call and play similiar to your line which confuses the hell out of them.
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. Plus he raised UTG preflop so his range is even more weighted to good hands.
Nah, wrong guy. Would YOU call down with QJ here? I don't get how this is a situation where people are always calling river just cause they called turn and most semibluffs didnt get there. What's my range?
Is he betting the turn with QJ though? And of course I wouldn't call the with QJ here but I play at retard stakes where they only reraise with a monster, so I have no idea how aggro things get up there. But I would have folded QJ to your raise on the turn since you're an unknown. Your turn raise is telling him to be prepared to face a decision on the river and he calls it so that says he thinks he's ahead. The river changed nothing really. Seems to me like you're just trying to scare him with big bets, not an actual range that could have him smoked.

I don't know what your range is here, but you've got to be repping a pretty tight one. What's he really supposed to be afraid of here? 88 and 55? Seems spewy to play 67 like this. I just don't see people giving such a tight range credit often enough.

But, like I said, I suck. Please set me straight if my thoughts are way off.


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. Plus he raised UTG preflop so his range is even more weighted to good hands.
Nah, wrong guy. Would YOU call down with QJ here? I don't get how this is a situation where people are always calling river just cause they called turn and most semibluffs didnt get there. What's my range?
Is he betting the turn with QJ though? And of course I wouldn't call the with QJ here but I play at retard stakes where they only reraise with a monster, so I have no idea how aggro things get up there. But I would have folded QJ to your raise on the turn since you're an unknown. Your turn raise is telling him to be prepared to face a decision on the river and he calls it so that says he thinks he's ahead. The river changed nothing really. Seems to me like you're just trying to scare him with big bets, not an actual range that could have him smoked.

I don't know what your range is here, but you've got to be repping a pretty tight one. What's he really supposed to be afraid of here? 88 and 55? Seems spewy to play 67 like this. I just don't see people giving such a tight range credit often enough.

But, like I said, I suck. Please set me straight if my thoughts are way off.
Definitely a lot of what I was thinking. However he is taking a text book set line on every single round so villian probably should give him some credit, unless theres history or at least enough to start playing i know the he knows that i know etc. QJ type hands probably ought to fold on the turn, but what holdings does villian have that bet half-pot, and then just flat call the turn raise? Thats a strange and weak line.
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