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Old 05-01-2010, 06:33 AM     Post subject: Folding trips is so hard for me.... $200NL w/3 to flush #1 (permalink)  
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 I called the river, but my software tells me it was wrong. For me this is tough, cause I'm getting some decent odds. Do you agree with me or the program!?

Thanks for the advice!

In this 6max game --
I'm 20/26/3 (pf raise, VP$IP, Agg)
Villian is 2/30/2.75

I don't recall anything about the guy (except his stats I guess). This was RUSH. Also, I'm a loser at RUSH so far, but it's just too damn fun. Yeah, I know I'm supposed to drop down stakes when losing.



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BTN: $365.25
SB: $386.40
BB: $593.85
UTG: $200.00
MP: $256.45
Hero (CO): $169.05

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with T J
1 fold, MP calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, MP calls $7

Flop: ($21.00) J J 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $21, MP calls $21

Turn: ($63.00) 2 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $33, MP raises to $66, Hero calls $33

River: ($195.00) 7 (2 players)
MP bets $150, Hero calls $73.05 all in
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Old 05-01-2010, 07:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Yikes. I would have to fold. Once he check/calls the flop I'd put him on a pair, two hearts, maybe J-x. I think betting the turn is OK to protect against hands like 77 with a heart, and once he min-raises he probably even gives you odds to try to get a boat, so calling is OK. But on the river... I mean he's spazzing out with some hands, but I don't see hands like Ah4c just shoving the river like this.

In fairness I don't analyze these spots well while playing and probably would have snapcalled and berated him in chat.
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Old 05-02-2010, 04:43 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 i know your question is in regards to the river call being 'correct' or not but for starters, as a student of the game, why aren't you sitting with a full buy-in?
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Old 05-02-2010, 06:27 AM #4 (permalink)  
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In fairness I don't analyze these spots well while playing and probably would have snapcalled and berated him in chat.
BTW, I don't either. I think I would have gotten this right in a forum setting -- when I could reflect -- but I'm much worse in real time play
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 Do you ever pot that flop with AQo?

Without player notes I'd flip a coin on the turn, but I would shove rather than call. Folding might be best.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 I would bet(bigger)/fold on the turn. As played it's a close fold on the river.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:56 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Yah I hate the flop sizing.

After you put the flop, is range is completely skewed to Jx hands and FD's, so I'd definitely fold this river pretty easily.

I'd bet flop smaller for sure, maybe even half pot and induce some bluff raises. $10-$15 seems fine.
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:25 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Yep. I guess on this hand and others I'm starting to agree w/ you and my program. I say my program, but it's not mine. I'm beta testing some new software called Holy Grail of Poker (lolspamurl) which viewed it as a clear fold (i.e., Expected value of negative $35). Thanks for the advice. It helps me make a better assessment of this program.
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