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Old 06-16-2010, 08:47 PM     Post subject: fold quads? #1 (permalink)  
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squeezer kinda crazy
flop call is cos who is scared of 4 outs
thoughts?

edit to add more thoughts as per Meeloche's comment below:
note that his river bet is a shove for my 100bb stack.
re valuable reads, i have about 180 hands on him, i think he's 9-tabling, and so far he's seemed pretty standard. My guess is that he's a 6-max reg, we don't have history cos i don't play 6-max, and when i do i run into hands like his... This means that I'll be a relative unknown to him too, probably makes it even more likely that i have AAAA in his eyes. Dunno, aren't people less likely to bluff/value bet kinda thin vs unknowns in spots like these?

<yaawn> fold is silly
<yaawn> r u that fucking retarded ?
<yaawn> like our hand is very powerful
<yaawn> we beat full houses
<yaawn> flushes
<daven> wish it was a badbeat jackpot table on some weirdo site = snap call
<yaawn> straights
<yaawn> three of a kind
<yaawn> two pair
<yaawn> pair
<yaawn> and high cards

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG Spearra ($144)
UTG+1 driga88 ($50)
CO naabial ($46.50)
BTN Hero ($50.75)
SB KlexXx ($49.35)
BB bob iliopoulos ($89.40)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN
Spearra raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75, KlexXx raises to $7, 1 fold, Spearra calls $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

Flop: ($21.50, 3 players)
KlexXx checks, Spearra bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50, KlexXx folds

Turn: ($42.50, 2 players)
Spearra checks, Hero checks

River: ($42.50, 2 players)
Spearra bets $42.50,
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 06-16-2010, 09:03 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Wow nooooo. Why would you fold here when villain could be value potting it with QQ-KK type stuff, since the board looks like a chop.
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Old 06-16-2010, 09:15 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I think it's pretty optimistic to think he's going for value with a hand like KK or QQ, especially given preflop. The betsizing makes me want to fold. 3/4 and I'd be much happier to call.
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Old 06-16-2010, 09:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 If squeezer is crazy, then its definitely possible he'd flat a hand like QQ/KK. And more likely he'd 4bet a hand like AK or AQ even.

I don't disagree that the pot sizing kinda sucks, and would prefer 3/4. Maybe I just can't fold this out of principle.

I think on boards where its perceived that the board is playable, people are more likely to bet bigger when they do beat the board.
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Old 06-16-2010, 09:51 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 this is a snap-call and a value-shove in some scenarios
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:22 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Why the turn check, are you already convincing yourself that quads are highly likely? Gives him a lot of river leverage to bluff.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:27 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 don't fold, I can't shove cause you didn't give any valuable reads.



 
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Old 06-17-2010, 03:45 AM #8 (permalink)  
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don't fold, I can't shove cause you didn't give any valuable reads.
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this is a snap-call and a value-shove in some scenarios
note that his river bet is a shove for my 100bb stack.
re valuable reads, i have about 180 hands on him, i think he's 9-tabling, and so far he's seemed pretty standard. My guess is that he's a 6-max reg, we don't have history cos i don't play 6-max, and when i do i run into hands like his... This means that I'll be a relative unknown to him too, probably makes it even more likely that i have AAAA in his eyes. Dunno, aren't people less likely to bluff vs unknowns in spots like these?

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Why the turn check, are you already convincing yourself that quads are highly likely? Gives him a lot of river leverage to bluff.
turning my hand into a bluff on the turn just feels kinda sick. And, yes, quads are a big part of his range. Would I check AAAA behind on this turn? sure, sometimes.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 06-17-2010, 03:55 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Why the turn check, are you already convincing yourself that quads are highly likely? Gives him a lot of river leverage to bluff.
I don't get it... turn check seems pretty standard. We lose to all pairs >9x, and it's not that likely that he's c/c pairs lower than 88 here.
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Old 06-17-2010, 04:09 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:34 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 oops thought this was nl100 my bad

but i still don t think it s ever a good idea to fold unless you have a very sick read
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 06-17-2010, 07:16 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 fwiw i think we should definitely be turning our hand into a bluff by betting 8 on turn and jamming blank river at least some %, we are now at the bottom of our range...
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:10 AM #13 (permalink)  
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If you want to fold, then I love his shove.
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:52 PM #14 (permalink)  
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if you want to fold, then i love his shove.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:18 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Old 06-22-2010, 11:33 PM #18 (permalink)  
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 strangest thing to me is why villain doesn t bet the turn
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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 fold but not doing it can't be that bad

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