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dhalsim
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06-14-2007, 02:30 PM
Post subject: Fold KK Preflop??
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($21.65)
UTG ($86.85)
MP ($69.55)
CO ($52)
Hero ($45.25)
SB ($136.05)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , K .
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, UTG raises to $20.5, MP folds, CO raises to $52, Hero calls $33.25 (All-In), UTG calls $31.50.
Flop: ($150.50) T , J, 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($150.50) 4 (3 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($150.50) 7 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $150.50
i did not know what to do in this situation. I started my session and i did not have any idea what kind of hands the people play on the table. I thought about folding but then i thought that against unknown opponents the probability that i have the best hand is given.
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bigspenda73
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You're getting 4:1 effective if UTG comes along.
Makes it a call in my book.
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griffey24
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Gross spot... I agree with bigspenda, you're getting odds to spike a king.
so i'd call, but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if I was beat here.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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AHiltz
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4-of-a-Kind
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Preflop UTG limping, then repopping = BIG HAND 99.9% of the time, barring a read that (s)he's a complete moron.
I think I could find a fold here most of the time.
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i think you see AK and QQ often enough that never folding KK ever preflop is +EV over the long run. plus you get to suck out on AA every once in a while.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
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Im with spenda. You need 4:1 if you KNOW you are against AA and QQ. You might actually be ahead so call it.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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AHiltz
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
You're getting 4:1 effective if UTG comes along.
Makes it a call in my book.
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Um, no!!!
Hero has 45.25 and both opps cover.
With both opps all-in and hero already putting in $12 plus the blinds is $103.25. Hero has $33.25 behind. That's only 3.1:1. Or am I missing something here?
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by AHiltz
Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
You're getting 4:1 effective if UTG comes along.
Makes it a call in my book.
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Um, no!!!
Hero has 45.25 and both opps cover.
With both opps all-in and hero already putting in $12 plus the blinds is $103.25. Hero has $33.25 behind. That's only 3.1:1. Or am I missing something here? |
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sauce123
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dont fold KK
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by sauce123
dont fold KK
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JL
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
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I once folded KK PF vs. two randoms.
It went:
limp, raise, I 3-bet, 3folds, limper 4-bets, original raiser pushes, I fold, limper calls.
Limper flipped over QQ, and other guy had A9s.
Never again did I even think about folding KK PF again.
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jackvance
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
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I've called this, given that something strange is going on at the table to make it go ballistic, like one aggroguy riling up everyone..
Under normal circumstances pretty standard fold imo, one of them WILL have AA almost always.
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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Fnord
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2 Players have shown enough strength here that MAYBE you can fold here, but it really depends on reads. Stacking-off can't be a big mistake.
This thread is retarded and there are like 20 others like it.
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